I am still trying to decide between the Outlaw and Vaquero? I have read that the vaquero is the best all around md. Then I read that it will not do well in trashy iron places. On the other hand, the outlaw is not an all around md. I really don't understand why. If you get the 3 coil package for the outlaw the small and medium disk will work good in trashy areas and wouldn't the bigger coil do well in fields hunting for relics such as lead mini-balls and brass and such? Also It seems that you need to buy a book to be able to learn how to use the vaquero the right way? I think by the time I make up my mind it will be to hot to even go! Thanks for any reply's.
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Outlaw question
- Thread starter Grayrider
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Sven
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At max settings--The V is deeper. So it will report smaller trash targets much deeper than the Outlaw that will not not even know is there. So the V will be noisier in iron trash lined areas.
The V's discrimination min setting is much lower than the Outlaws, so lets say the V will report on a pin, the Outlaw will not.
The V is more of a relic hunter with its lower disc and deeper depth ranges, can be de-tuned to be a nice coin and jewelry detector.
But, the Outlaw is the Bandido circuit which is favored by coin and jewelry hunters and is quieter in trashy areas with small pcs of iron when hunting in disc mode where extreme depth is not a concern.
With the larger coils you'll pick up a few inches in depth making it a better detector where the good targets are out of range of the smaller coils.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1718380,1720196#msg-1720196
http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,115613,115645
The Outlaw is one detector I have not used yet. But have used several Bandido's, do have an Outlaw on the way.
The V's discrimination min setting is much lower than the Outlaws, so lets say the V will report on a pin, the Outlaw will not.
The V is more of a relic hunter with its lower disc and deeper depth ranges, can be de-tuned to be a nice coin and jewelry detector.
But, the Outlaw is the Bandido circuit which is favored by coin and jewelry hunters and is quieter in trashy areas with small pcs of iron when hunting in disc mode where extreme depth is not a concern.
With the larger coils you'll pick up a few inches in depth making it a better detector where the good targets are out of range of the smaller coils.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1718380,1720196#msg-1720196
http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,115613,115645
The Outlaw is one detector I have not used yet. But have used several Bandido's, do have an Outlaw on the way.
You do not need to by the book to learn how to use a vaquero the right way. I never even touched a detector before getting mine and learned how to use it good well before purchasing the book. I suggest getting the vaquero and you don't need the book to use it correctly. It's just a good read with some helpful hints, that's all. Wherever you read that and whoever said it obviously does not know all that much about it. If you can read and follow basic instructions, you will be fine. Plus, there are a number of youtube vids with numerous ways to run it. Need the book to run it properly, that's is ridiculous. lol...
Sven
Well-known member
I agree with jld66, You don't need a book to operate the V
It's actually very simple. More or less turn it on in all metal mode, adjust threshold, adjust ground balance. Set sensitivity at 50% and away you go.
Or then switch to disc mode, set disc control to your liking, lets say to just eliminate nails and away you go.
Fast easy basic set-up.
The V is not to hot to handle.
Yes watch some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXq4sHTS_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hde_YatsVyA
Just a note threshold should be very faint. In the video it has been turned up to make it audible for the viewer.
It's actually very simple. More or less turn it on in all metal mode, adjust threshold, adjust ground balance. Set sensitivity at 50% and away you go.
Or then switch to disc mode, set disc control to your liking, lets say to just eliminate nails and away you go.
Fast easy basic set-up.
The V is not to hot to handle.
Yes watch some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXq4sHTS_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hde_YatsVyA
Just a note threshold should be very faint. In the video it has been turned up to make it audible for the viewer.
yeah both easy to use only thing I found was the V was a bit of a screamer the O is much less taxing to use and for me its been a nice ring finder with a concentric coil and looking forward to a new slimline 7" for it...
see how that goes.
but depends on what some wants these things for?
that's probably the most important question what do I want it for? as in what sort of detecting.
AJ
see how that goes.but depends on what some wants these things for?
that's probably the most important question what do I want it for? as in what sort of detecting.
AJ
amberjack said:yeah both easy to use only thing I found was the V was a bit of a screamer the O is much less taxing to use and for me its been a nice ring finder with a concentric coil and looking forward to a new slimline 7" for it...
but depends on what some wants these things for?
that's probably the most important question what do I want it for? as in what sort of detecting.
AJ
Yep; for mostly coins and jewelry, especially in trashy areas, Outlaw is more of a pleasure (for me) to use. Being "ED120", it ignores small iron (nails, bottlecaps), yet gets adequate depth for my purposes. Vaquero does go deeper, but is a little more nervous in trash than Outlaw. On Vaquero, I find that even running the 5.75 concentric, bottlecaps are not as quiet at the nickel setting in disc, as with Outlaw. They can both be used for either relics or coin/jewelry, but each feels a bit better suited for one of the two different tasks.
Really though, either is a good "all-around" land detector. If you (Grayrider) decide on Vaquero, do consider the high-tone version. Not every vendor stocks them, but they can all get one for you. The high-tone seems to carry audio target info better for my ears, and doesn't sound like a dying duck in disc mode (though still does when pinpointing..).
I would say it's the best Tesoro deal, but I have never tried the 12x10 DD coil. I usually run the 8" donut on mine but the 5.75" is a great coil, too.
If I were buying a new Outlaw, I'd go for the single coil deal, then pick up the 5.75 for it. I doubt I'd need that bigger coil.
If I were buying a new Outlaw, I'd go for the single coil deal, then pick up the 5.75 for it. I doubt I'd need that bigger coil.
Sven
Well-known member
53silver videos is what got me to buy the vaquero after coming across them researching the Fisher line. I'm very happy with it. The club I use to be involved in, I was the only one with a tesoro and most never even heard of them. Those who did and even used them all say they are good machines, yet have moved on. Does seem tesoro's fame is long gone. Most want a few more features that Tesoro is either unwilling or just plain unable to produce. Even when they asked what features people wanted in their new machine, they just simply ignored it and this mojave proved that. After all this time they have come up well short of expectations. It's like their research and development is going in reverse and that's a shame.
But not everyone tires of it. Some like the simplicity of a Tesoro and that's why they still sell them. I've tried pretty much everything and I've realized I like the simplicity, I find enough and I dig as deep as I care to. And I have fun, I found the machines with lots of settings and adjustments to be too much like work. I work in a technical field, so on my down time I just want to relax.
I am the person Tesoro builds for. If I couldn't swing a Tesoro I'd probably find a different hobby.
Dan
I am the person Tesoro builds for. If I couldn't swing a Tesoro I'd probably find a different hobby.
Dan
I agree. But you still have to attract new customers as well. An ageing customer base is not going to keep them going. Less and less people even know about them and if new customers don't find their products appealing or dont know they even exist, how will they sell them then. What customers they do have, except for a small few in the scope of things, are just plain losing interest with them. Combined with the fact dealers can not give any deals, they all have to sell them for the same price, there can be no competition among the dealerships. With a fixed price they will just push the brands that will make them the most profit. If you buy something wholesale, you should be able to sell it for how ever much you want to. I personally would rather sell 5 of the same item and make ten dollars on each one than sell just one item and make twenty bucks on it. That's just common sense. It is odd that tesoro is the only company that does it that way. They already made their money selling items to the dealership, why should they care how much the dealer in turn sells the item for. Guess i'm just a realist. Having a good product is not enough now days and controlling the price is not a good thing.dan b said:
Neil
Well-known member
dan b said:
Hey Dan I agree and would add that a lot of us come back around to Tesoros because of their light weight, simple and sufficient performance.
And Ive learned to just roll with whatever is out there. I am not brand loyal, love trying different machines, see what works best for where I hunt.
I expect and believe Tesoro will be with us for many years to come.
HH
Neil
