One Beep Blues

[DigDug361]

I'm new to this forum but not new to detecting. I have owned my ElDorado uMax since around 2000 and have spent many hours just swinging away in detecting bliss. Now after 11 or 12 yrs I'm really getting burned out on that same tone over and over. I spent 5hrs today pulling tabs looking for rings and thought I would really like to hear some different tones so i don't have to roll the disc back and forth. I have a DeLeon too, but it sounds the same and I look at the TID instead of rolling the disc. I really like to just watch the ground and listen to what my detector is telling me.
Have any of you guys been through this. I mean I love my tesoros but I'm seriously considering moving to a detector with a multi-tone and TID. I can't switch to the golden it doesn't have manual GB and that's why the Deleon sits in the closet most of the time. Any thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry for complaining in my first post but I'm just burned out and I don't want to take a break from detecting.

 

[Dirtdigger33]

I have two bounty hunters the 505 and the discovery 3300. They both have TID and multi-tones. They actually have too many tones for me and the displays jump around sometimes when trying to decide what to identify the target as. I find myself grabbing for my one tone Compadre almost every hunt and leaving the other two in the closet. The bounty hunters sit most of the time. I have taken the batteries out of the 505 because I have had so much fun with the Compadre and I never come home empty handed when I take it with me. Hope you find a machine that will work for you, but I think you will be back to your Tesoros faster than you think. Good Luck and HH.

 

[thump7]

I know what you mean, this is only my 3rd year detecting but I have felt just like that before. Unless I am
relic hunting or at the beach, I only dig targets that I think sound like clad and are not pennies. I refuse to
dig endless amounts of trash in public places looking for the odd keeper. My first year detecting, I ended
up with $26.00 in pennies!! never again. I realized that If I want to keep doing this for years to come I
needed to start passing up a lot more of the obvious unwanted targets.

It brings me back in time to when I had to sit there and finish my bowl of porridge when all the other kids
were playing outside in the sun.

I did buy a notch machine (GSII) which I think will give me a chance at finding some gold jewelery without
digging an overwhelming amount of trash.
When it is all said and done, I think it's basically same story with every machine made, none of them can
accurately identify trash from gold as far as I know. From what I have read, even with tones, the small and
big pieces of gold will often not fall in the mid range tone, or between foil and under tabs. This is where you
have the edge with a single tone machine, because you can't tell where it falls on the conductivity scale
(unless you thumb disc), just ferrous/non-ferrous.

I understand that the Deleon has an internal GB pot which can be set to your ground. Someone feel free to
correct me if I am wrong about that.

 

[kirk01]

If you are looking for gold rings you are going to dig pull tabs no matter what you are swinging.

My wife and I hunt with the Vaquero, ML XT-70/705, AT-Pro and uMax Silver.

We find they compliment each other.

Normally use the V and XT between us.

Now that I have spent more time with the V, it's starting "to talk to me" a little better regarding tabs.

You still have to go over and over your iffy signals with a tone/TID machine.

Pull tabs coming in all shapes and sizes are a problem if you want gold even if you have an E-Trac from what I hear and see.

The V is as good or better at ID-ing tabs (once you have spent time with it) then the AT-Pro (tones and all) IMHO, the XT is better then the V on ID-ing tabs, that is why I have both.

No matter what MD you use, you will dig tabs.

Good Hunting,

Denny

 

[mudpuppy]

It assigns a different sound to every integer on the ID scale. It has many other tone options, but I like that DP tone mode because you can distinguish subtle differences in target size and depth very quickly. I'll get fooled every now and then by a flattened crown cap, but not often..my wedding ring and a pulltab have the same target profile, and that is tough. Nothing I can do about that but get quick on target recovery and play the odds. one guy told me when I started out to dig 1000 pulltabs, and dig 1000 pennys. I found 3 gold rings in the pulltabs, 6 more in the high foil, and one in solid nickle. This excersize taught me fast target recovery, and to key on those tones. Good Luck!
Mud

 

[Hombre]

I'm new to this forum but not new to detecting. I have owned my ElDorado uMax since around 2000 and have spent many hours just swinging away in detecting bliss. Now after 11 or 12 yrs I'm really getting burned out on that same tone over and over. I spent 5hrs today pulling tabs looking for rings and thought I would really like to hear some different tones so i don't have to roll the disc back and forth. I have a DeLeon too, but it sounds the same and I look at the TID instead of rolling the disc. I really like to just watch the ground and listen to what my detector is telling me.
Have any of you guys been through this. I mean I love my tesoros but I'm seriously considering moving to a detector with a multi-tone and TID. I can't switch to the golden it doesn't have manual GB and that's why the Deleon sits in the closet most of the time. Any thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated. Sorry for complaining in my first post but I'm just burned out and I don't want to take a break from detecting.

Welcome to the Forum,

Well DigDug if you have had the Eldorado

 

[Mike Hillis]

I hear you about the one beep blues. I used a single tone machine for 6 months and when I went to a multi-tone unit it was like a breath of fresh air. I never could understand by some folks would prefer thumbing a disc dial when a tone could tell you the same information faster. My finds good finds when way up and I found more good targets in less time. I dug trash knowing I was digging trash instead of hoping I wasn't digging trash. Tones are the only way I can go now, unless I need a single tone for a specific application.

Good luck on your tone travels. I recommend you get something that has more than one tone option as you'll appreciate the flexibility. If I can help, give a shout.

HH
Mike

 

[Smudge]

I understand your feelings on the tone issue. But you should know that past a certain depth (about 6" I think), the tone ID starts becoming less accurate and it might convince you not to dig a good target.

I say this as a Golden uMax owner which has the multitone which I really like when all i want to do is coin shoot. But I have to be mindful of the tendency to rely on it too much.

I think your feelings on TID screens may be displaced though. In my experience, the TID screens are typically inaccurate about the half the time. On cheap units, their accuracy is even worse. If you absolutely must have a TID, I'd use one with a number id only.

I would not sell the El Dorado yet. Get a TID with multi tones and see how you like it. My gut feeling is your good finds will actually drop to a level inferior to your beep-and-dig detector because there is a natural tendency to let the TID and tones do the thinking for you. Whereas with a single tone deep machine like the Vaquero or Tejon, you dig every solid signal you get once you have set your discrimination where you want it.

He who digs more, finds more.

Good luck to you!

 

[Woodchuck]

I went from all the newest TID and VDI machines to beep and dig. I will not go back to TID.That single beep and its suttle variations tell me more than multi tone TID detector ever will.But you won't find out until you go through a bunch of detectors and learn the hard way.

 

[BarberBill]

One of my machines is a Whites Przm 6T. It has tones, but the trouble is it has too many tones in my opinion. I'd probably like it if the tones cover 3 or 4 ranges, but it has 7. Therefore I leave that feature turned off most of the time.

In regard to another post above, It's my understanding that the DeLeon has TWO pots related to ground balance. One for all metal and one for the discrimination mode. I'm fortunate in that in most locations I hunt the DeLeon I have seems to be balanced pretty well for my conditions and it works very well.

I agree with the posts that emphasize knowing the detector you use well, regardless of tones, ID etc.
BB

 

[digginLa]

I understand how you feel and thats the reason I traded my DeLeon for the Omega 8000, it has 1-4 tones, notch, and ground grab or if you don't want to mess with ground balancing you can just turn on and go however and this is my biggest complaint about the machine if you hunt parks and schools in town you have way more EMI issues than you do with the DeLeon. HH Jimmi

 

[hatpin]

the tone we all love to hear, the sweet, mellow, small area, deep sounding tone that repeats and pinpoints in all-metal really tight.

Thats the one. Good description.

 

[tailofdog]

I don't look for rings on land. Just too much trash! My Vaquero covers a lot of ground and, does a great job. I have Grey Ghost head phones and these help with the sublities of tone

 

[pkrska]

Pull tabs have got to be the worst invention ever. They seem to be everywhere. And now with the invention of aluminum paper bottle seals, which get torn and thrown around covering many square inches of ground, it's a rough world out there for metal detectors.

I watched many videos with people that have tones and display and they all seem to dig this crap.

But if you have $56,000 you could buy one of those new detectors with the view of what's in the ground.