??? on sensitivity on the Elite

[Paul-Maine]

First thanks for all the help I have received from this forum.I have been lurking for a wile and have not seen any post that pertains to my question, which is am I losing depth running at 9 or 10 o'clock to eliminate false signals on wet sand beaches.

Thanks and HH Paul.

 

[ikon]

hi paul,
i think to eliminate falsing no. but on the other hand if you could put up with a little falsing i wouldnt disc. on anything. what sweet with the sovereigns is our all metal- mode because you will go deeper but to start off using that mode its diffinitely a learning curve thing. run in disc. if you hear a slight whisper, probe in all medal. disc. again using different angles, then back to all- metal . if the threshold like nulls just keep walking , its iron. but if you got a threshold, chase it. this method just takes some practice. its ALL in the sounds.make that all- medal mode work for you. ive read and tried this method and im still learning it but i know im right. theres some good articles on revese discrimation using the sovereign if fact theres a great post on this form that was posted just last week plus if you can find jim vokes detecting page he spells it out real nice. good luck,

stan pa. sjmdc

 

[Walter L.I.]

but then again I run a Wot or s12 so I have to set at 12:00 for smooth running and get Great depth!Smaller coils you can set hotter than larger coils. Remember ClockWise equals less sensitivity and counter Clockwise is more sensitive.Set to what ground conditions call for.You want smooth threshold.Good Luck Walter

 

[Doug[Manila]]

I have the BBS1000 coil on my Sov (XS2aPro) and can raise the sens most times to 10-11'0clock. Wondering if it makes sense to upgrade to either a WOT or S12 when you have to back off sens to 12'0 clock.
Are you guys getting better results despite the lower sens?

 

[Rick(ND)]

If you are at 9 o'clock position on the sensitivity and the knob is at the correct position on the shaft you are at Max sensitivity. At this you will get some falsing and by coming at the target from a different angle you will see it is iron as the target has moved.
I take it you are running your Elite in disc and have the disc set low or off along with the notch at off position.
Running high sensitivity such as this is more for those that are experienced with the Sovereigns and want to go very slow, or work a area they know may hold some deeper targets, but like I say you will have to go sloooow.
I think you will find that if you new to the Sovereign auto may be the best for sensitivity, if you know it well a sensitivity of 10-12 will probably do the best for you for depth without getting a lot of falsing.
Running at max sensitivity or close to it is something I do very little with as I have to go so slow and listen so close and do much more checking each target more, plus have to dig more iffy signals and do get more trash too. This is why I use it very little, but do use it at times.
When i was doing the field test on the new S12 Intruder for Sun Ray a few years ago for park use I tried to run it max at this one old park and didn't cover much ground, but found some older coins that we missed even with the Explorers. I tried it lower sensitivity too and did well with all the park trash we have also.
I feel myself sensitivity setting goes more by how well you know your Sovereign and how slow you want to hunt, too much sensitivity and too fast sweep speed and you will lose depth over lower sensitivity and normal sweep speed.

Good luck with your Elite, try 10-12 o'clock postion on the sensitivity and swing slow enough so you can hear the threshold changing when it sees a different target is how I get my best depth.

Rick

 

[Beachcomber]

As has been mentioned in the other posts is that the 9-10 O'clock Position on the Sensitivity Control is at the maximum and the machine will probably false in the wet salt sand. Keep in mind the the Sensitivity Control is the only control on the Elite that works backwards!!!!! Lower Sensitivity it on the 1-5 O'clock side of the control. I think they wired the Sensitivity control backwards so that you would be increasing sensitivity to maximum just before it clicks into the Auto Sensitivity Mode.

HH

Beachcomber

 

[ellis]

question..is it ethical or unethical to post a coil or anything else pertaining to detectors on the forum ???? this is second post only,but i read here all the time and really get akick out of it, and enjoy the pics andespecially questions and answers about sensitivity and falsing. bought my sovxs in 96 andstill love it .thanks ahead of time.

 

[Paul-Maine]

Thanks for all your replies.

Rick as you said no disc no notch running in disc and sensitivity at 9 or 10 I can run with out falsing in wet sand but as i get closer to the surf I will move it clockwise to 11 with vary slow swing speed.So I guess Iam not losing any depth thanks to all you guy & gals on this forum.As I said on my other post Ihave been lurking more then posting. Only been detecting 16 months, started with a White mod-IDX and then the Elite and could not understand its way of talking so gave up on it for a month then reread the manual over an over then more lurking here and now I love it. As you all said stay with it and it will come,how true.

Jan 06 one silver&gold puzzle ring...Feb 06 one platinum band ring and a lot of clad so not bad for winter months up here in the northeast.Will post pictures as soon as I find how to do it.Again thanks
for your replies,an sorry for being so mouthy
HH Paul

 

[Paul-Maine]

Beachcomber

Don't quite understand the only one knob that is counter clockwise is the sensitivity on the Elite.
Isn't the disc & notch off anti-clockwise.

Threshold and volume clockwise, just my understanding
or am I wet behind the ears. Help again HH Paul

 

[Beachcomber]

Disc and Notch are both normal controls. Fully counter clockwise is the loest amount of Discrimination and Fully Clockwise is the most Discrimination. Notch is a little different in that you are choosing an individual discrimination point to reject. Volume, Threshold, and Discrimination are minimum in the fully counterclockwise position and at thier maximum levels when fully clockwise. Sensitivity is at it's highest when fully counterclockwise just before it clicks into "Auto" and at it's lowest sensitivity when fully clockwise.

HH

Beachcomber

 

[Walter L.I.]

Hi Doug, It only makes sense to use a larger coil like the 15 inch Wot the deepest coil on the beach period,besides a P.I. because you can scan more area in a shorter time.You will not lose any depth at 12:00 on a larger coil they just go deeper.Lately I have been using S12 coil. It is also a great coil and goes deep and it is Lighter!Once you use a larger coil on the beach I doubt you will go back to a 8 or 10" coil. Good Luck! Walter