Omega with Sharp coil

[Chickenwing]

I am considering buying a Nel Sharp coil for my Omega. I use the stock coil now but feel I need better separation in some areas. Any feedback would be appreciated.

 

[Chickenwing]

And Sharpshooter too if you feel it's better than the stock coil.

 

[jim tn]

I have the Sharpshooter on my A T Pro and really like it. Excellent depth and target separation. I have the NEL Hunter for my Omega and it is slightly deeper then any of the coils, 10" and 11," that I have used on it. They also seem to do a better job with emi, are very sturdy, but a bit heavier then other comparable size coils. The 10" DD for the Omega, however, is a excellent coil. HH jim tn

 

[MarkCZ]

I had the Sharpshooter on my Omega and although I didn't find it a BAD coil, I never found anything about it that made it more capable than one of the factory Omega coils, It didn't separate any better than the 11" DD coil, now it probably would separate better than the 10" Concentric.
A couple of things I didn't like about the coil was,
Its mounting ears (tabs) are not 90 degrees on the inside flat, so to get them to squarely contact the mounting stem rubbers (tighten up) it arches the plastic mounting bolt a LOT! A very poor design, for what should be a great coil?
The decals are about as cheesy as they come, they're not even cut to fit the locating recesses? I mean two cent labels on a $130.00 coil?

Mine didn't seem to have a working problem, but from the looks of things on the outside (what you can see) I had to wonder how great was it really put together on the inside (what you can't see). I ended up selling mine, I didn't see anything that the coil was doing to improve over the 5" round DD or the 11" DD factory coils.

Some claimed better EMI shielding because of the extra shielded in the LARGER cable? but the extra diameter isn't about shielding, its about extra cords for strain relief and a thicker outer jacket (on all the other larger cables like it, that's what I found) I didn't find it a help for EMI over other coils in its size class or smaller, but it did help a littler over the larger 11" DD coil, but it should have, the sharpshooter is a smaller coil.

Mark

 

[detectingMO]

the sharpshooter is the best overall coil for the Greek series. About same size of the stock but a DD. Separation of the 5" DD depth of the 11" DD. You really don't need the Sharp if you have it but the sharp was very nice as well. Rock solid coil that is a little deeper and larger than the 5" DD but becomes redundant with the sharpshooter.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MpktH5K_Vkt1E8RWr2dHcaJjlFV0zTvqPAHNTUELvBI/edit?usp=sharing

 

[Mega]

My personal opinion is that the SharpShooter coil is the best that i have ever used albeit i dont own a Omega but i use the T2 and that has become one of my all time favourite combinations.Its far superior build quality that the stock T2 coil and just makes it a much more refined machine,i will agree about the el-cheapo sticky label,but i took that off after 5 minutes and it looks better without it anyway.

I also own the T2 5'' coil which is a pretty amazing coil depth wise,that is used mainly for when the stubble comes off but i would not have thought the NEL 5'' would be any better.

 

[Monte]

I am considering buying a Nel Sharp coil for my Omega. I use the stock coil now but feel I need better separation in some areas. Any feedback would be appreciated.

By using the 'stock' coil now are you referring to the elliptical Concentric coil, or did you get your Omega with the 11" BiAxial coil?

Have you tried other Teknetics factory coils, or just jump to the after-market NEL coils?

What types of sites do you search where you feel you need "better separation?" Are you hunting in modern playgrounds with modern type trash, or do you search older sites and what type of trash is most abundant, iron or non-iron?

Personally, I haven't worked, or seen, a 'Sharp' coil, but I have used the Sharpshooter and compared it with factory search coils. Perhaps I take a little different approach when I set out to evaluate both detectors and search coils because I like to have one or two coils that work well, but I also like to have more than one detector and coil set-up because there is no such thing as a 'perfect' metal detector or a 'perfect' search coil.

There are, however some very decent detectors and very good search coils to compliment what the detector offers in the way of performance. I like the Omega, personally finding it the best of the FTP products for me and what I like to do and use it for.

I found the Sharpshooter coil to appear to have a more rugged build quality, externally, and it seemed to work okay. I also didn't like the cheapo decal or the wedgie coil/rod mount design. The coil, however, did work. Now, most readers know I am not a big fan of DD coils, and that I find the 11" BiAxial to be cheap looking, feeling, kind of ugly, and have never really enjoyed the performance I got from it. Honesty is the best policy, so I'll continue to add that I found the 5X10 DD coil to be a better looking, better feeling, and better performing coil for me than the 11" BiAxial [size=small](DD)[/size] coil.

Of the Teknetics coils I used on the Omegas, I preferred the 8" round Concentric coil for general day-to-day hunting in average condition areas, even though the stock 10" Concentric elliptical coil is close to the same performance in some ways. But most of the time I plant myself in the heart of ample old-site junk. Most typically it includes the higher-conductive little zinc caps, some occasional copper washers or rivets or buttons, but generally an over-abundance of iron-based debris.

Nails are the biggest offender, and dealing with a lot of unwanted junk calls for a good detector with quick-responsiveness and good Discrimination processing and recovery. Naturally, the use of a better search coil in such conditions is important, so I concentrate on that evaluation with every detector in my personal arsenal, as well as with various search coils.

Usually, my preferred search coils are Concentric design, and I hunt in trash and want separation as well. I match the coil design and size with what level of performance I get out of the detector, and there are times when I DO opt for a Double-D search coil. In the case of the FTP products, it is usually because they don't offer a smaller-size Concentric coil, leaving me no option but to pick a DD. I have found that it is sometimes a limited coil pick due to the detector designer's coil preference and not a marketing choice to give consumers what they want.

In the trashiest sites when I need the best 'separation,' I prefer the 5" DD coil over any other DD offered that I have used. It has served me well for 4½ years in some touch littered places. When I evaluated performance of the larger-size coils, mainly DD designs, I favored the Teknetics 5X10 DD coil for fit, balance, and field performance over the Sharpshooter coil. I also didn't notice that much difference in EMI issues, and that really depended upon location.

For dense trash I am satisfied that my 5" DD is a fine pick to complement the 8" round Concentric for lower-trash levels. I might add one more coil back in my coil arsenal in the future, but I am not sure if it will be the 5½x9¾ Concentric or the 5X10 Double-D. I think I'd likely take them in that order, but for best separation in the ghost towns and homesteads I used to evaluate performance, the 5" DD worked the best.

Just my opinion to add to others. It's really going to vary, too, because we each have our own description of what trash levels are or what 'separation' means and in what environment.

Monte

 

[MarkCZ]

In topics like this is gets hard to sort out fact from fiction.

Fiction= Brain washed to believe its better,
Its shape, its size, its got a larger cable, so I know it works better.
When I switch to it for my 11" DD coil proved it to be more resistant to EMI, No it didn't, if you had switched to any other smaller coil you would have gotten similar results. (Fiction again)
It would be impossible for me to count the things I got sucked into by marketing hype and other people's initial jump on the band wagon. When the little Sharpshooter coil first hit the market the forums was a buzz with this GREATEST ever made coil, so I had to have one! a couple of weeks after I got mine these "Hardly Used" Sharpshooter coil started showing up in the classifieds???
This reminds me of the days of "Slick 50" Now I still believe that the product has some merit, but the early claims from the new users we're over the top! I personally worked with a guy that just had to have the stuff and when he put it in his car he stated "The Stuff Is So Slick That The Engine Didn't Have Enough Friction To Produce Enough Heat For The Heater To Work" (REALLY!)
Second case, same work place but a different person stated that "With His Standard Transmission Car That @ 55mph The Engine Runs 1000RPM's Less" (Really!)

One thing I've never seen posted about the Sharpshooter coil was anything about BAD performance.

Fact= self explanatory!
Same size vs same size, its deeper!
Same type vs same type it discriminates better!
So, finding an apples to apples comparison is hard to find with this coil.

And 'Monte" I have been thinking along the lines of the 5"x 10" DD and the 8" round coils as REALLY GOOD coil choices for the Omega. The Factory 11" coil is more barebones trimmed out and cut down for weight than it is a bad coil, the later version of the coil I've found to work VERY WELL! and are pretty darn tuff.

Mark

(believing its better, its looks more ready to

 

[Hightone]

Those are pretty impressive numbers, detectingMO. I wish I could say the same with my Sharpshooter, but it's on a F2. What I do know is that from almost heel to toe I get about 6" in air tests. If I put the concentric 8" stock coil back on, I can get 7" in the sweet spot, but nowhere near the footprint the NEL gives at 9.5". I listened to the ad that said it would give up to 50% more depth than a stock coil. MY NEL doesn't even come to the depth of my stock. But it is good at separation in trash and isn't as large as the 11". And since it was less costly than the 11", I could live with it.

If the Hunter coil gave a inch or so better depth over the 11" DD, is this because the Hunter is a larger coil? For better identification, I beliieve a concentric tracks all the different parameters of a target better than a DD (at least that's what is explained to me).

 

[Chickenwing]

Well if the Sharpshooter and Tek 5x10 DD are equal on EMI and depth one thing is certain. They are worlds apart on price. I just want a good DD coil for the "Devil Dirt" here in N. GA. The stock concentric coil is good but is limited to about 6" in this red clay.

 

[undrpar]

IF YOU WANT TO PURCHASE A SHARPSHOOTER FOR YOUR OMEGA..I HAVE ONE THAT IS ONLY A MONTH OLD AND USED A COUPLE OF TIMES..ONLY REASON I'M NOT USING IT IS BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE NEL HUNTER..$80.00 SHIPPED IF YOUR INTERESTED..

 

[Chickenwing]

Send me an email so I can contact you.

 

[undrpar]

MY EMAIL IS LUNATICFORGOLF@YAHOO.COM

 

[supertraq]

I have the gamma,same thing only different,lol.But i have the sharpshooter and the 10" elliptical and 8" concentric..This is what i have found and it goes against the DD better in trash norm. as the 10" elliptical does much better in trash and is a little deeper,that said if it comes with the sharpshooter use it and you'll do fine..I can't give much info on the 8" as i never use it..enjoy one of the best machines under $800.00

 

[MarkCZ]

I have the gamma,same thing only different,lol.But i have the sharpshooter and the 10" elliptical and 8" concentric..This is what i have found and it goes against the DD better in trash norm. as the 10" elliptical does much better in trash and is a little deeper,that said if it comes with the sharpshooter use it and you'll do fine..I can't give much info on the 8" as i never use it..enjoy one of the best machines under $800.00

I've been considering the 8" round concentric as my next possible coil selection, if your up to selling yours PM me a price and your email address, I'm not saying I will for sure buy it, but if the price is right I may be able to rake up a loan from my brother Ron until I can get over the surgery I had last week and get back to earning some money.
I only have two coils for my Omega at this time and both of them are the DD's.

Just a thought!

Mark

 

[Chickenwing]

I appreciate everyone's advice here. I am going to give the Sharpshooter a try. The added bonus is it will work on my Gold Bug also. I will let you all know how it does. Thanks

 

[tabman]

The Omega and Sharpshooter coil is a match made in heaven.

tabman

 

[Hightone]

n/t