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OK.....Why An 11 Inch Knife Made Out Of Copper or Bronze????

John-Edmonton

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I was relic hunting in the woods yesterday when I got a strong signal in the silver reading. I dug up this old knife. I gave it a good scratch, and realized by the underlying metal, a yellow-orange color. Sure enough, nonmagnetic and the overlying patina would suggest copper or bronze. The area I found it does go back to the late 1800, although finds from the 40's are also common. One person suggested a knife used by the ice man delivering ice, as it was always getting wet and won't rust. Any other ideas? There are no stamps on it.
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...these at the link below are sterling and pretty fancy, but the legnth is generally right at 9 to 11 inches. Any evidence of plating on the finish fo yours?

Didn't know it before looking, but by the number of hits on google, icecream knives seem to be a regular part of a 19th century set of cutlery. Other than butter or icecream, can't think what a copper knife would be good for. Cool find, John.

http://www.silvermag.com/IceCreamServers_revised_0505.htm
 
Man...after looking at all those nice ice cream knives, mine looks pretty bland, doesn't it.:lol: There is no sign at all of any plating. But like you mentioned, the size is right, and maybe so are you. Thanks for the information Gabe.
 
at the link below, a couple of pages of "ice cream slicers". Notice the shape of many of the blades (rounded bottom and top bevel) are almost identical to yours.

http://images.google.com/images?q=%22ice+cream+slicer%22&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N&filter=0

A note about ice cream knives...


>>> To the reader unfamiliar with the subject, the number and variety of dining implements in Bird's Nest may be bewildering. However, in the late nineteenth century, when ten or more courses were the norm for a formal dinner, it became increasingly fashionable to have flatware designated for serving and eating specific foods from soup to nuts. By the end of the century, many full-line patterns included more than a hundred different implements. (27) And some of their designations now seem foreign--for example, "knives" for pudding, ice cream, macaroni, jelly, and so forth. These are explainable by the implements' shapes, if not their intended function. Unless meant for cutting meat, in which case the blades were made of steel, solid silver serving "knives" had silver blades that were not sharp, silver being too soft to take a cutting edge. Thus, such pieces were servers, not carvers. But, since the Victorians felt instinctively that, with a few exceptions, (2:geek: every silver dining implement had to be classified as a knife, fork, or spoon, they applied the name "knife" to anything that more resembled a real knife than a fork or a spoon. In the first quarter of the twentieth century, the designation of all-silver serving implements as knives was generally abandoned in favor of servers....


... Bird's Nest includes both an ice cream knife and a pudding knife, which is unusual. In some flatware patterns, an ice cream knife (also known as an ice cream server) has a relatively broad blade with an asymmetrical shape, a variable but small degree of dishing, and an upturned right edge, the piece being intended for scooping relatively soft bulk ice cream. This and most other servers in which it makes a difference are designed for right-handed users. In later patterns, an ice cream knife (also known as an ice cream slice or slicer) intended for slicing and serving hard-frozen commercial brick ice cream has a narrower and longer asymmetrically shaped blade with no dishing and with or without an upturned right edge. Most often "pudding knife" is just another term for an ice cream knife of the earlier type described above. But in the case of Bird's Nest, the pudding knife and ice cream knife are different."

---from Magazine Antiques
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1026/is_3_166/ai_n6190029/pg_2


Thing is John, yours doesn't look at all Victorian, much more utilitarian than fancy and closer to Art Deco. I'd guess it's from the 1930's or 40's.

Thanks for posting!

S.
 
If a piece has been plated, they frequently plate the base metal with copper before the final plating. This improves the adhesion and absorbs some of the difference of the coefficient of expansion between the base metal and the plated metal.

Most frequently seen in chrome and nickel plated steel. If the steel was not copper plated first the plating does not last long.
 
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