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Tagamet

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I've been reading about the basic use of the Explorer II, until my eyes are bleeding. My problem is that the more I read, the more I see the same talk about distinguishing tones based on their "round sound" or their "Flat sound", or even their "Squished" quality.
Although my hearing acuity is fine, my ability to distinguish between sounds based on how round, or flat, or squished they are is non-existent. I need some tuteledge based strictly on VISUAL cues, but even the visual cursor placement seems to have very variable rules.
My "previously loved" Explorer II arrives Thursday, and I'm really stoked to try it out, but HONESTLY, will it "tell" me more than my C$?
Thanks in advance,
Tagamet
 
Tagamet,

I don't have a Cz so can't compare. Probably more than other detectors the Explorers are a "gut" feeling detector. You need to dig alot of signals to learn what it is telling you. And the reason most of us use little discrimination is to let it tell you alot. Stick with it for awhile and then you will start to understand....

And then try explain to newer users what you've learned. It's very difficult to try explain... And that is why you hear "flutey", "round", "poly-tonic squiffled", and many other fuzzy terms.

It all comes with experience. I look at all the other forums and certainly am glad with my choice of detectors.

Chris
 
I will give you the advice I give everybody with any new machine. Get out a collection of the items you hope to find. Rings of all sizes and composition, different coins, bullets, buttons, trash targets, etc. Now spread a large blanket out in a CLEAN area OUTSIDE. Separate the targets out on the blanket. Spend some time practicing with this stuff. See what it sounds like, what it displays like, and practice pinpointing. Do it until you get a feel for the machine and get comfortable with it. Try Smartfind. See how the display charts the stuff. Try the Digital. See what the numbers are. Note the tonal qualities of the different metals. If you spend some time doing this you will be a lot more effective your first times out in the real world. As Chris has aptly pointed out, there is no substitute for experience.
 
Tag - I am surely still a newbie with the EX11. I have had mine about 9 months and I use it almost everday (I have no life). As said before there is a diff between the flat and round sounds and it is almost impossible to explain the diff. I will tell you that one day with experience it will finally click. I am a slow learner and it "clicked" for me about a month ago. I nwo dig signals (that pay off) I would never have dug 2 or 3 months ago.
I believe one of the best ways to learn the ex is to go to a prak or school that has lots of clad and some trash. Have fun playing with the EX and digging clad, it really helped me. HH

AK in KY
 
I'll need to wait until someone comes out with a unit that can be direct wired into the visual cortex of the brain. Until then, I'll try to learn the screen(s). Hunting by sound isn't going to cut it with my discrim deficits.
Thanks,
Tagamet
 
I had used a C$ for a year before I got my EX2 in Oct. 2004. My honest stats:

2004 C$ year = 106 silver, 71 IH cents, 16 V and 15 Buffalo nickels
2005 EX2 year = 202 silver, 142 IH cents, 33 V and 51 Buffalo nickels

Number of days hunted and locations detected were almost the same for both years. Need I say any more?

I suggest you use the digital representation if you prefer looking at numbers like the C$.

Give it time, practice - you will be a believer!

Mike
 
[quote MJP (IL)]I had used a C$ for a year before I got my EX2 in Oct. 2004. My honest stats:
2004 C$ year = 106 silver, 71 IH cents, 16 V and 15 Buffalo nickels
2005 EX2 year = 202 silver, 142 IH cents, 33 V and 51 Buffalo nickels
Number of days hunted and locations detected were almost the same for both years. Need I say any more?
I suggest you use the digital representation if you prefer looking at numbers like the C$.
Give it time, practice - you will be a believer!
Mike[/quote]

Thanks for the input Mike, but if you'd have stuck with the C$ the second year, you may have doubled your production anyway. You should have divided your second year into two halves, alternating the C$ and the Explorer II. Of course, you would have had to hunt blindfolded, to control for observer and/or placebo effects. I know, I know, it's tough dealing with a "scientist".
I climbed the learning curve with the C$, without being able to "hear" much of a differnce in tone quality. I'm hoping something good will happen with the Explorer II, but I'm definitely not expecting my hearing to improve.
On a positive note (pun intended), I do have a couple of Explorer II gurus who are semi-local. They certainly speak highly of what this machine can do, but then again, they hear well.
Regards,
Tagamet
 
Hi Tag !

I'm intrigued by the 'scientist' tag in your post.

Are you a 'soul' mate? (I am of that breed.)

Regarding the 'Nebulous' sounds that emanate from an Explorer II.

It depends on the audio options/response you select.

There's NORMAL. AUDIO 1, AUDIO 2 and AUDIO 3.

Relative to your choice, you can experience.......

... a single flute like tone.

Whereas, the others take on a sliding trombone characteristic.

Depending on the targets and site contents, the later settings can invoke a cacophony of galactic sounds, reminiscent of disappearing down a black hole !!!

Choose and use the wrong one, and you could end up in a straight jacket.

Have fun.....In the immortal words of Jeff Foster...."Enjoy"

Me...detecting on the Isle of Anglesey...North Wales..UK
 
[quote MattR]Hi Tag !
I'm intrigued by the 'scientist' tag in your post.
Are you a 'soul' mate? (I am of that breed.)
Regarding the 'Nebulous' sounds that emanate from an Explorer II.
It depends on the audio options/response you select. There's NORMAL. AUDIO 1, AUDIO 2 and AUDIO 3.
Relative to your choice, you can experience.......... a single flute like tone.
Whereas, the others take on a sliding trombone characteristic.
Depending on the targets and site contents, the later settings can invoke a cacophony of galactic sounds, reminiscent of disappearing down a black hole !!!
Choose and use the wrong one, and you could end up in a straight jacket.
Have fun.....In the immortal words of Jeff Foster...."Enjoy"
Me...detecting on the Isle of Anglesey...North Wales..UK[/quote]

Actually, it was the cacaphonous entry to the Black Hole that caused all of these auditory processing deficts. Beautiful picture by the way. My Dear mother-in-law came to the US from Wales as a mere slip of a lass at the tender age of 8. (Unfortunately, she toughened up quite a bit as she aged).
I'll be retiring (God Willing) this June after 34 years of working with very special kids and their parents. I know my Dear One would like to return (again) to her family's roots. Do you have a spare room and a field to search? (not in that order)
Thanks for the tip on audio tone settings. The Explorer won't arrive until Thursday and the hours are passing as Dog Years.
Be well,
Tagamet
 
I too am a new explorer owner but I believe I can give some good advice. The more advice you read from other owners the more confused you will be. I'm not saying there isn't good advice to be had but there are just alot of different opinions on the same subjects. Just read the owners manual, watch the DVD, and read "Mastering the Explorer S & XS" by Andy Sabisch. It is a very helpful book even for the Exp. II. Use the Digital Display and you will figure the sounds out on your own. There is such a thing as too much information.
 
Hi All
I too am trying to master this beast and got out to a cv camp area for about 2 hrs. and dug a repeatable signal this morning,no trash just these goodies!
This machine does give you alot of tones but it seems the more you use it you get sense of what is good but still dig iffys!
Cheers
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I just got my exployer last week,I have only went out digging one time,Iwas using a whites mxt for about 2 and a half years with great success, but I believe from what I have heard from other detectors,I will find more deeper targets and more silver ,after I learn my new machine,what do you think?
 
I just got my exployer last week,I have only went out digging one time,Iwas using a whites mxt for about 2 and a half years with great success, but I believe from what I have heard from other detectors,I will find more deeper targets and more silver ,after I learn my new machine,what do you think?:usaflag::usaflag::usaflag:
 
[quote ringman]I just got my exployer last week,I have only went out digging one time,Iwas using a whites mxt for about 2 and a half years with great success, but I believe from what I have heard from other detectors,I will find more deeper targets and more silver ,after I learn my new machine,what do you think?[/quote]

Your lips to God's ears.
Tagamet
 
Hi Tagamet.
I have read all the posts,and whilst I agree whith a lot of them,none has mentioned an interesting bit.
when you get your machine, find a spot clear of all junky metallic stuff, get yoursel a bamboo stick around 3 foot long and some gooey stuff, like blutack, get some of the coins you most likely will encounter and test the sound .
stick the coin at the end of the stick
turn machine on using the setting you would like to use.
make sure that there is no metal around, don't plug the head phone at first.
now sweep the coin a few time and listen, change the angle of the coin, the the distance.
then try the same with trash,
lastly, find a spot on the ground with no metal again, get an old bed sheet or something like it. ask your kids to put some coins and some junk under it, and go over, try to pinpoint and try to tell what it is.
and each time you adjust something, adjust only one at a time and try.
in one year (december to december0 only in $1 and $2 coins I have made $1200 Austtralian dollars and I havent counted predecimal and small change and the other stuff.
good hunting.
Reynald
 
Thanks for the sage advice. I have zero confidence in my auditory discrimination, but using those suggestions, I can watch the digital readouts.
I started by going to the local soccer complex that has a minimum of trash and a lot of clad coins. It's where I started with the Coinstrike to learn that machine. Keeping it in factory settings, I did find a lot of clad, including a couple of nickels, and only 2 pulltabs, which I thought was a good night. The next night I went to a trashy spot and stopped JUST short of chucking the Ex 2 in the river. Obviously, I need to clock some more time at the soccer fields (lol).
I'm also having some trouble pinpointing. The one hole I dug was big enough to find two folding chairs and a small child. No idea how the chairs got there.
My sole assest is patience. That I have plenty of.
My gut tells me that the E2 may quickly become my favorite machine.
Thanks,
Tagamet
 
I could not describe the sounds so I won't :) but I guess it depends on what you hunt. I use both sound and the visual but mostly the sounds. I hunt lots of iron infested areas so I use ferrous sounds as it gives a low sound for iron. Sometime badly corroded deep iron gives a short high silver sound but the cursor will be to the lower right so there is a combo of both sound and visual to tell me what it may be. I agree that the more you practice with it the better you will be at deciding what it is telling you. I could go on and on about the sounds and visual but everyone sees and hears their own machine differently. Just my two cents hope it helps.
 
:clapping:The accuracy of the tone id coupled with the smart screen cross hairs tels me what i am about to dig before i dig (mostly). Believe me once mastered the target id on the explorer 2 is Far in advance of any detector made today or in the near future likely EVER to be made. TEN OUT OF TEN FOR ITS RED HOT RESPONSE TO SILVER TOO!............... The explorer 2 is the worlds best by far.
 
When you get your detector, just use the digital screen and you should do fine with it. Then every once in a while you can switch over to smart find to see what the cross-hairs are doing on the same target. For the sounds of the machine, you will get use to them when you use the detector more and more often. If you are out for coins, there is only but a few signals to remember and it shouldn't take very long to distinguish these from the others. Just remember to start out with watching the digital screen numbers and then focus on the sounds. It will all come to you eventually and good luck with the best detector on the market. I know because I personally own one.
 
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