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Ok I read Andy Sabisch's Explorer book......now I'm even MORE confused.

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Because what I've read and what I've heard from users totally contradict each other...especially regarding air tests and the use of Iron Mask. I've been told by lots to just run in IM -8 to -12 with ferrous tones and sensitivity set just enough that the treshold begins to break up when I swing. I'm told air tests are inconclusive with the Explorer just like any other machine. Then on the other hand, Sabisch writes that air testing produces the same results as the target being in the ground at that depth and seems to imply that you should never run more than -6 IM and to make custom patterns by air testing in edit or learn with a small cursor, which I have done and which do work...but HOW well??. I don't know what to think because whenever I run in IM -8 to -10 EVERY high bouncer I dug has been junk while I'm seeing representations online in people's webpages of crosshairs stuck to the left and they were Barber dimes...... I can find the bejeebers out of wheaties and IH's but I can't help but think that I'm walking right over silver every day. Any solutions that could set me straight????
 
<i>"whenever I run in IM -8 to -10 EVERY high bouncer I dug has been junk while I'm seeing representations online in people's webpages of crosshairs stuck to the left and they were Barber dimes"</i> Ok, fine, but how did those high bouncers <b>sound</b>? To be quite blunt, SCREW THE METER! Use it for reference only. Go by the <b>sound</b>! I have dug many barber dimes that locked hard in the upper left of iron mask -10. But, they sounded great, repeated all the way around. I dug them because of the way they sounded, not by what the meter said they were. In funky soil you will never get a coin to lock in one place and that is all there is to it. A tight pattern you will miss those because they will bounce over to the part that is disc'ed out and you will think they are a nail because they will null. Iron mask -10 is the only way to go, for me anyway.
If you can get a signal to repeat(Audibly) from two different directions when you circle the target, dig it. And just to cover all bases, when I say circle the target, I don't mean swing the coil in a circle,(I have seen people do this when I tell them to circle the target)I mean completely walk around a target in a circle while swinging over the location of the hit. If you turn 45 degrees and it sounds good, stop there a bit and swing it back and forth and make sure it sounds good, then continue circling the target. You may get it to repeat at any place around the circle, there is no set degree that makes it good or not. This also helps you narrow down where the target actually is. I may circle a target 5 times or more trying to determine if an iffy is worth digging and if I still can't decide, I usually dig it to be sure.(Thank you X-1 probe! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D">) This is why so many people think the depth meter is inaccurate or why they dig a lot of junk they don't need to, because they do not spend near enough time analyzing a target! Sure, to some it sounds like a waste of time, but when I watch them spend 20 minutes on the ground digging for a piece of crap because they wouldn't take the time to annalyze the target, while I dig 3-4 coins while they are farting around, who is wasting more time? <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D">
 
I do go around the target....If I can get it to repeat off-angle from the original line then I dig it.....I also found out tonite that I somehow wasn't in ferrous tones.....made a big difference when I switched back. I was fairly satisfied that I didn't find much where I hunted tonight simply because there wasn't much there to find in the first place.
 
rick, when you circle the target, and your tone changes, still strong though, but at different angles on the same target produse a different tone, will it always be trash?,
 
Generally yes, but that can bite you also! Lets say you have a $1 gold piece and a dime in the same hole. One direction it may give you the high tone of the dime, another direction it may give you the low tone of the dollar. It may just average the two out and be a tone between. You just never know. I dig anything that shows 6" or more on the depth meter if I am relatively sure it is not iron. Yes, I dig a bunch of small wire and rivets and rivet washers that show deeper than they are, but with the X-1 it doesn't take that long and I sure don't want to leave a good one for someone else. I probably leave a bunch of gold rings now because I don't dig shallow tab signals. I watched a friend of mine with a bounty hunter the other day dig a 5" deep Illinois Drivers License. That thing was old and very cool! He said it hit like a dollar on his. That got me thinking, the depth meter is set up to read the depth of a quarter. If it shows you 6" on a dime, it is usually about 4" If it shows you 6" on a half Dollar, it is about 8" So if this thing read as a penny or dime on mine, it would have shown about 2" and I probably would have not dug it. This thing was probably 2 1/2 inches in diameter, so it would have read much shallower than it was. I have ran a $10 gold piece under my coil and it hits like a penny. It is bigger than a quarter, so it will show shallower than it is. How many have I left? <IMG SRC="/forums/images/frown.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":("> I really need to start digging everything, but oh well, maybe someday.
 
I don't like ferrous tones. I use conductive. Mainly because I like to know when I get a coin signal. If a coin is reading left in ferrous, it will give a lower tone. I don't like tabs having the same tone as coins either. Just personal preference. I don't really think using either one will give the advantage to one or the other, I think it all boils down to what the individual likes. I have used ferrous and iron mask -16 many times, I just feel there is no advantage. Some iron falses still will bounce right and give a high tone, so I see no advantage. Some will argue that, but to each their own. Like me using Audio 1, there is only a very small handful of people that do. I just like it better than normal. I think billions of hours on the explorer is much more productive than what setting you use. There is nothing magical to any of the settings, no preamp 15 programs needed here! The factory mode will go as deep or close, as any settings or combos of settings we can come up with. It is all about tailoring the Explorer to best suit you. No setting will override several hundred hours of experience. But I will argue against a tight disc pattern over iron mask -10 any day of the week. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D">
 
should know the answer to this but I'll ask again, if it sounds like a pull tab and is 6 inches down or better do you dig no matter were the cross hairs land on the screen. I know, Ray if I told you once I've told you a thousand times, DIG It!!!!!! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> Just for the record I have been but all have been pull tabs so far, thanks bud.
Ray ~
 
Not always will it be trash and you have to dig anything that you are not sure of. I had a nice high pitched to the top right, turned and came at a differnt angle and it was a low pitched bottom right so I turned again and now bottom almost midlle, but yet when I went back to the first way it was still top right and sounded so good I had to dig. Found a war nickle on the bottom of the 6 inch inch plug that explained the bottom center and while using the probe I found a rusty bottle cap above the nickle by 2 or 3 inches that explained the low pitched bottom right. Now I tried the Explorer over the hole and it was a nice high pitched top right so i used the probe in the hole and found a merc dime. Now this explains the odd signal as each must have been off one way or another within the 2 or 3 inches of the plug and by going differnt ways i got 3 differnt signals. I think if 2 of the ways would have been top left like a rusty nail i may have walked away. This was one of the times that the Explorer realy impressed me and was a good example of running iron mask.This same area has been gone over hard with many differnt detectors by me and I think they all must have showed junk.
Anything that I am not sure of I dig.
Rick
 
If you are talking they are showing 6" but are actually about 4", not fill dirt. But if you actually get down to a real 6" and they are tabs, I would say (around my parts anyway, from my experience) it is fill dirt. It is entirely possible for a tab to get 6" on it's own, but in the type of soil we have, I rarely see them that deep in undisturbed soil. I haven't hunted up your way, so it might be different. That is what sucks when trying to tell someone from another state what an iffy that I would dig sounds like. The soil plays such an important role. Like I was telling someone in an email the other day. Some places I hunt the coins sound really good, in a spot like that I don't dig as many signals I would consider iffy, just don't get as many iffy sounding ones in a spot like that. For the most part they are good or they aren't. But other spots I hunt are so nasty that a shallow coin won't repeat. These are the places I dig some nails, but I dig some good coins that hardly anyone would dig. If they wait for a solid locking hit in a spot like that, they won't be going home with any silver! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D">
 
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