Ok I am about to give up on my Vision at the beach.

[Jason in TN]

Any one got any Ideas mine may be defective. It gives constant false signals at +2 +3 which is where salt reads. I do have it in beach mode and have it set in salt mode too.
Have tried three different coils the 5.3 being the only one that seems to be good in the wet sand. Next if I do get a signal a penny at about 4 inches will read every where from 14
up to about 76 changes with each pass. Had some EMI issues dirt hunting with it in the past but nothing like this. Runs OK in the dry sand but on the wet sand it is not good at all.
Any Ideas or should I send it back to Whites. I do have the Dual field PI and a Excal down here with me. Gave the Vision a good go this morning 3 hours got a few coins and pull
tabs. They were hard to tell what they were becase of the VID #s jumping everywhere and the deepest target I have dug has been about 6" with the 5.3 coil the factory is terrible
a 12x15 sef I have was more stable but still had the ID problems. Also when you go to pinpoint none of the bars will go out shows the three Feq and you get the sound but no signal
strength indication. Ideas welcome.

Frustrated with the V in Myrtle beach.

Jason

 

[TheMarshall]

Jason, before anyone can make a guess at what may be causing your problem, we need some data regarding your program.

Obviously, on wet sand you should be using Salt mode.

Now can you tell us what your ground phase was, or balance figure.

Next, sensitivities, all of them.

Do you get any erratic signals with the search head held out at waist level?

Search-head problems causing your type of complaints, is usually due to a faulty Faraday shielding, but you say it happens on several heads, so that is a no-no.

I honestly feel the quickest solution is return it to Whites................TheMarshall

 

[Jason in TN]

Marshall
Thanks for your reply through PMs and phone calls I have heard that several folks are having the same problems posted. I was in beach mode which has salt mode
running. Also in first post had sensitivity posted. Not EMI interferance has to do with the wet salt. There is a problem for sure from the PMs and calls I have gotten the
Vision does not like the wet salt. Have tried lowering the sensitivity a to 6 gain and about 65 with stock coil and still get the problems described. I am going
to go bury a few coins here in a few min in the wet sand as the tide goes out and see if I can make any changes that will help this out. have gotten two gold
and three silver rings so far but i am sad to say none were found with the vision. Works great in the dry sand so it is the wet salt that is affecting it. The 22.5kh
Feq may just be to sensitive to the salt and be causing the problems. I hope there is somthing that can be done in the adjustments or I some how have a bad
detector as the beach was where I planed to hunt with the V3 the most. Will take some targets and the stock coil and see what I can work out here in a few.
If not there will be another night one the beach spent with out my V3.


Jason

 

[JimDE]

Jason, I have no idea what is causing your problems. I run my V on DE/MD beaches without a single issue and usually with RX at 13-15 and TX Boost on with the D2 coil. It will false if I hit saltwater with the coil but my wet/dry sand performance is excellent here.

I'm guessing the +2-+3 reference is your RX settings or were you referring to the VDI's? That would be lower than I have ever set my V even at areas with buried power lines. Did you lower your Disc sensitivity setting too? Is TX Boost off or on?

I would check/replace my batteries in both the machine and your headphones and restore the salt program to original settings and try that..... grd balance and check probe recommendations. If it says 15 but you can't even run half that and be stable I would say EMI issues or coil. I find the probes recommendation seems to always go to 15 when the machine is unstable rendering that feature useless in those conditions. Lower RX and Disc settings till it gets stable and try that.

You also haven't stated if you have a coil cover on or not and if so do you have it sealed with silicone? water and sand inside of the coil WILL make it go nuts at times.

Lastly I would reboot the unit to see if that takes care of it ...... if not I would guess it is a trip to Dr. White's unfortunately.

Are the other two machines acting odd there? Could be like one of our beaches and have shrapnel on the beach due to beach replenishment and that dives detectors nuts

 

[Jason in TN]

Jason, I have no idea what is causing your problems. I run my V on DE/MD beaches without a single issue and usually with RX at 13-15 and TX Boost on with the D2 coil. It will false if I hit saltwater with the coil but my wet/dry sand performance is excellent here.

I'm guessing the +2-+3 reference is your RX settings or were you referring to the VDI's? That would be lower than I have ever set my V even at areas with buried power lines. Did you lower your Disc sensitivity setting too? Is TX Boost off or on?

I would check/replace my batteries in both the machine and your headphones and restore the salt program to original settings and try that..... grd balance and check probe recommendations. If it says 15 but you can't even run half that and be stable I would say EMI issues or coil. I find the probes recommendation seems to always go to 15 when the machine is unstable rendering that feature useless in those conditions. Lower RX and Disc settings till it gets stable and try that.

You also haven't stated if you have a coil cover on or not and if so do you have it sealed with silicone? water and sand inside of the coil WILL make it go nuts at times.

Lastly I would reboot the unit to see if that takes care of it ...... if not I would guess it is a trip to Dr. White's unfortunately.

Are the other two machines acting odd there? Could be like one of our beaches and have shrapnel on the beach due to beach replenishment and that dives detectors nuts

The +2 +3 I was talking about were the VID#s like it is reading the salt every where. When you do get a target you can tell there is a non ferrous target there but that is about it the VID#s
read all over.

Your suggestions are all great and I appreciate you taking time to post them. Going to give it a try to see if I can get it to work better. The other two detectors I have down here
are working great so I do have something to hunt with. Never leave the house for a trip with less than three is my motto.

Thanks again
Hope to get the vision tuned up and working on the beach. Need to have a Bigfoot coil for it always ran it on my DFX down here and it worked great.

Jason

 

[Jason in TN]

Do not know if I have a bad detector or not. Took the V3 out and buried a nickel at 5in and also a Quarter about five in in the wet sand.
First the 10dd stock coil set on salt beach ground balance and test both can tell they are both there bit VID # run for -12 to 48 on the nickle
and from -5 to -94 on the Quarter.

With the 5.3 coil the Vid #s are alot closer to what they should be 12 to about 40 jumping back and forth on the nickel and and about 45 to 89
on the quarter. The nickle is harder to pick up and the coil must be near-on the ground to do it.

OK take the quarter carry it up to the dry sand bury it about 10 inches deep and I get a good signal and the Id is 83 84 Do not know what else to do
So it looks like this will be the last trip to the wet stuff for the V3 until I can find out what is wrong with it. Has to be something wrong or going on I could
get a quarter at 10" easy with my DFX on the same beach with good ID.

The three bars on the pinpoint feature also do not work at all in the wet sand on my V3.

Any of you other surf hunters having this much trouble with yours at the beach I am sopose to
be back July the 4th and if I need repairs I guess I should send it to White ASAP


Jason

 

[Fishnmaine]

Jason the D2 doesn't do well in the wet sand.....as it states on their website under FAQ's for the V3.....go with the standard 950 concentric coil....this should take care of the stability problem...

 

[Jason in TN]

Jason the D2 doesn't do well in the wet sand.....as it states on their website under FAQ's for the V3.....go with the standard 950 concentric coil....this should take care of the stability problem...

Thanks for the input I do not have the 950 or the 300 coil but the 5.3 I do have optimized for the V still does not work although it does work betted than the DD.
I may send it in to be checked out and have the headphone thing updated. It is almost like the salt mode is not working on it.

Jason

 

[Jason in TN]

Jason the D2 doesn't do well in the wet sand.....as it states on their website under FAQ's for the V3.....go with the standard 950 concentric coil....this should take care of the stability problem...

This brings up another Question.
why does the D2 not work well in the wet salt sand. It is a DD like many I have used in the salt sand before. It is not a coil problem it is for sure a detector problem and I think needs to
Be addressed and fixed if possible. What good is a salt mode if it does not work in the salt. Have had one person tell me theres does great and have had several that tell me they are having the same issues. Hope I can get it taken care of as with all the adjustments it has and with good VID this would be a great beach detector. It is as good or better land detector that I have had and I have had a bunch.

Jason

 

[yazoo]

Just food for thought. Did you ground balance in the wet sand?With the lack of minerals along with the salt ,you may have to play with the tracking or something like that. H.H. Yazoo

 

[Downdeep]

I have only used my V3 on wet salt sand one time down in Md. I hunted for over an hour only..but it ran smooth and quiet as could be. Wet sand, dry sand....even when the water washed up over the coil.

 

[JimDE]

Downdeep..... guess we have better beaches than some Just wish we didn't have so much ordnance shrapnel after beach replenishment.

 

[Downdeep]

I just hope to be able to get down there more to try it again! Once a summer may be my mode of operation

 

[JimDE]

depending on the season ..... I am down there 3-4 times a week to once a week to once a month. I MD low tide periods and fly fish the higher tides. I call MD'ing sand fishing

Might say MD'ing is a sub-sport for me for other activities. I go to the archery club and when I am done doing that I detect. Wish they made a rod like a wading staff for the detectors and I would carry it with me when I ride my motorcycle too

 

[Jason in TN]

I did get a 950 coil from a buddy sent to me to try out. Tried it this morning with a little better results the IDs would stabilize a bit but were still way off
a nickel at 2 inches would give me a VID of about 4 to 5 could run the gain at 6 max and about 72 on the sensitivity. May have to send my v back when I get home.
The 950 did cut the false signals down a bit too.

The Good news is the folks from Whites have been in touch with me and seem to be truly concerned and interested in my problem. They have been great so far.

Thanks

Jason

 

[JimDE]

Jason, they are the best .......... your problem is surely unique and I am sure they would want to find out what it is and correct it as soon as they can.