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O.K. guys, lets finish the subject, as it is an important one.:wave:

M

morningstar

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According to the words of the elect, no elect can resist the draw of the Lord for he was already predestined to be with God. So how can there be any of the elect in hell? The reason for asking is this, [size=small]if the Elect can be Lost, then it must be true that the Lost can be Saved.[/size]
 
I know depending on who you ask, you will always get a different answer.
just like the issue of will the saved be go to Heaven before or after the rapture, Do people go to Heaven when they die, or later on. We even tackled a tough one in Sunday school a few years back. Do kids automatically go to Heaven when they die young. WOW! That one about caused some people to be upset in that class. I just know that all Christians are at different levels in their walk, and believe differently about different issues. We should all not just take what a speaker , Sunday School Teacher, or pastor to the bank! The Lord wants us to seek out the answers in his Word, and find out on our own! There is my two cents!
Sermon over! :) And all God's people said!........
 
it's a very important subject but not for public discussion. When the unsaved hear us arguing, why would they want to become one of us? Do we want to risk driving a wedge between brothers and sisters. It's not a weenie thing to hold back from having a discussion that can produce more heat than light. Most are covinced their beliefs are right and won't change. If we could throw the evidence out there and everyone were to evaluate for it's truth or untruth maybe it could be settled, in some. We are all to be of the same mind. Mankind being mankind, I can't see that until we are there. Myself I'm going to step aside.
May God bless all
 
do nor fear. Salvation is the most important thing we can talk about and the fact of Heaven and hell are real and need to be shared with all. Arguing was not my intention but to learn together. I for one, hope we continue to talk and grow on this forum as brothers in the Lord and I for one have wondered why there are so many thoughts concerning this subject. I'm definitely not a Christian who confesses that I know all things, as I have learn so much today that I never known before and thank the Lord for His patience and this forum.
 
The elect can be in hell for one reason...Free Will! God gave us free will, just like he gave his angels. If we didnt have free will, we would be obligated to love God, and what kind of Love would that be? He gave us free will, knowing that chosen love is the sweetest love! So, when we chose not to take our rights as children of God, we are condemning ourselves. And that leaves us in seperation, or hell.

And, yes, the lost can be saved. Jesus came to save first the Jew, then the Gentile. Until then, the Jews were Gods chosen people. The rest of us were left out, because of our status. But Jesus changed that. There is hope for everyone!!!!! And besides, if we were all pre-chosen to be with God, then why would there be a need for hell?

I hope this properly explains my understanding, that could be from a completely different point of view on the subject.

God bless, Morningstar!

J.
 
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