Notching Question

[Anonymous]

As a rule I don't usually notch. There are occasions I'll notch foil or something but normally I like to hear what's under my coil. The other day someone posted they had notched everything so they could basically cherry pick the silver. My question, last weekend I dug a Barber dime at about 8", it rang in with a medium tone, bouncing between 18 & 22 from 2 directions, with everything notched,assuming there wasn't anything close to mask the dime, would/should the dime signal still ring through? I realize the dimes frequency should still be picked up since it isn't a notched area, but with the depth, will it drop the dime into one of the notched areas? If not, this will be a nice way to go if you have limited time and want to give an area a quick sweep.
Thanks
Dirtdog

 

[Anonymous]

If the dime, for whatever reason is falling in an area you have notched out obviously you will not hear it.
The post you may be referring to was a different situation where "cherry picking" was a logical way to go. Ground minerals and iron are tough on a detector and it may react in different ways depending on the situation. With the CS and several other machines, I have seen many times where silver can read high when in with iron. It's tough as you don't know if its an iron false or silver mixed in but under those circumstances ya gotta dig the signals to learn/see.
It does not matter if its ground minerals, nearby targets averaging the signal down in readings or iron causing the different readings, what is important is digging all signals at a site to get a feel for how stuff reads there on that day. Nothing is set in stone.
Congrats on that Barber, bet you thought it was going to be an IH. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">
Tom

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks Tom, I realize different ground situations, RF, proper balance, swing, etc all can change what the machine sees and how it reacts. Being new with the C$ I was thinking, if I went to areas I have beaten up for years, and good signals, are few and far between, if I set iron discrimination at 99, balance the machine out, notched everything, would my chances of finding silver be better than trying to pick silver out of the noise of the trash? On my Explorer, most of the time I can tell the difference between iron/nail hits, silver and zincs because of the sound and cross hair location on the screen. I'm sure if I use the C$ as much as I used the Explorer for the last 4 years, these questions will seem crazy, but have to ask and experiment to learn. As far as the dime I found, when I got the signal, I wasn't sure what it was going to be but I knew it was deep and solid. It was the first silver with the C$ so I was blown away it was a Barber. Later that day I got a signal that was similar but bounced 16-20, it was my IH, 189?, roughly the same depth, it was pretty beat up. After 4 years with the Explorer and great success, I think I'm going to like the C$, It may become my machine of choice, I just need more time with it. The 10" coil came yesterday, now if the weather will cooperate.
HH,
Dirtdog

 

[Anonymous]

dog,
The CS is very good at giving a hint there is something down there in the trash. It just takes time to learn what it is saying. The tougher the circumstances the more willing you have to be to dig some pretty iffy signals, I know that goes for the Explorer as well. I have dug nickels that bounced all over due to being close to iron, all I had to go on was that the CS wasn't sure what it was. <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
Tom

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Dirtdog
The post you are refering to was mine, I think. I was hunting at an old homestead that was loaded with loaded with debris dating back to late 1800's. The old one room wood home just about rotted away and since it is out of the way people have used it for a dump site.
I notched out foil, nickel, tabs, and zink because there were way too many targets, the C$ numbers were jumping all over the place and the tones were like a bag pipe. I think my settings were sens @ 6, thresh @ -25, disc @ 99, auto trac off, and averaging off. The C$ ran real smooth and it hit solid on a 1887 silver dollar @ 5" deep.
One week later I went back to the old homesite and adjusted sens to 7, thresh -5 and hit a 1819 half dollar @ 8". This place is the worst site that I have detected and the C$ pulled two great coins out of that place. I had hunted the same site with my Explorer XS and missed the coins, I am sure due to masking. The XS requires a slow sweep speed and with fast on has a moderate speed target processing software, where the C$ likes a moderate sweep speed and the fastest target processing software that I have used.
Please understand that I am not knocking the Explorer, I have found alot of keepers with an XS. I like the C$'s ability to cut through trash. The one thing that I find interesting about the C$ is that you will not loose depth in the disc mode over the all metal mode. You will reject targets and since gold falls into the same range as foil and nickel it will be the first to go. Each site requires a decission on how much disc to use, if there is low trash, I run with little or no disc. As the trash level increases, so dose my disc level and some times silver is the only thing that you might get, because it is the last item to disc out. TB

 

[Anonymous]

Yours is the post I was referring to. Exactly what you did is what I was trying to say or get across. If I set my machine the way you finally did and make an initial sweep over an area to see what you get. With everything notched you got the dollar and the half. Now cut the notch back and do it again, then again. I would think this would be a good way to address a very trashy area. Like you said about the bagpipes, I usually run my ES at IM10/12 imagine the tune it would play and the masking you would have, this is why I'm looking forward to using and learning the C$. My initial impresions are it will be a great machine
Thanks,
Dirtdog

 

[Anonymous]

No matter what machine you use, they will only give you an idea of what's there, sometimes better than other times, if in doubt "Digger up". There is nothing better than time and experience.
HH
Dirtdog

 

[Anonymous]

Hate to admit it tho. LOL
There are times when I notch out foil and nickels at a site but I have found that leaving tabs in along with zincs actually saves me some time in the long run. Most people know that a good site needs to be hunted from different directions to get those one-way hits. With the C$ I resweep every tab signal and if it hits even once at zinc or better I turn and check it further. Many times I have come away with coins I would have passed up hunting in one direction only with lesser machines. Some of those tab hits can be coins averaged down by iron where other machines read only the iron!
Sometimes I wish we could somehow get a 3D view of how these different targets lay in relation to each other.
Tom

 

[Anonymous]

Dirtdog
The C$ is a different animal for sure, when you notch out foil, nickel, tabs, and zink, they are ignored. Targets that are programed to be accepted through software, or turned on by the notch switch can be somewhat adjusted by using the the threshold setting of between -99 "less excitable" and +4 "more excitable". I believe that this means that +4 more targets accepted and -99 less targets accepted.
If you read down a few post, there is an interesting topic on threshold settings. After reading Jackpine Savage's post on testing, I did some testing of my own and came up with the same conclusion. In my test garden the target signal was present up to -30 threshold setting, then started to disipear. Adjusting The threshold setting appears to have more of an effect on the target signal, than adjusting the sens setting.
I think that this is where most people have trouble learning the C$, most detectors you adjust the threshold to where you have a comfortable hum, then adjust the sens for stabality. With the C$ if you adjust the threshold for the hum and then set sens, you will be running it to hot.
I like to start out in all metal to find a target free spot, then ground balance. Go to disc mode, sens 5, thresh 05, notch off, trac off, and avg off. I also like to lay some test targets on the ground, like silver coins to set my sweep speed. If everything is running smooth I will increase sens one number at a time and notch items as needed.
The best advice that I can give you is to stay with it, and leave the XS in a cool spot. I know there will be times when you will want to pull out old fathfull just to do a quick check of the site, but don't give in. Learn what the C$ is telling you and before long you will be making adjustments like a pro. Hope this helps. TB

 

[Anonymous]

I think we all have carried old faithful to the field when we are trying to learn a new machine. My weakness is, I'll carry both the XS and the C$ when I'm out. I usually start with the XS because I know it and I know I'll have good finds. I tell myself, after one IH or one Silver I'll switch over and use nothing but the C$, hasn't failed yet but I have to get it in my head to start with the C$, it's the only way to really learn it, maybe next trip out.
HH
Dirtdog

 

[Anonymous]

man did i make a mistake ? i decided to buy another unit and i bought a coinstrike i currentlt have a exp xs and quattro which is for sale but any way is this coinstrike that diffacult to use ? or get use to like learning the exp ?