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NEW TO THE EXCALL FAMILY, I have few ???

elki1052

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Hi, I have desided to purchase a new Excall, (its going to hapen next week) but I have some questions about the coils and headphones.
I have read a lot about your coments and I finaly deseded to get one, I already own a Sov GT and I have purchase for it few coils including the WOT 15" and this is the one I whant to have instaled on it.
Now, are there instructions on how to do this instalation?
I'm a hands on and have electronics knoledge so I just may need the directions on how to doit.
I'm thinking about instaling a diferent set of headphones as well.
I will apreciate any other ideas on what to do to make it more easy to use it or operate please let me know.
 
There are just 4 wires to splice on the WOT coil to the Excalibur. It is really easy but make sure your connections are waterproof. The wire colors are fairly close
from the WOT to the Excalibur cable. Use common sense.

I solder the wires, shrink wrap them, then
I use liquid tape. I then use plumbing goop, then shrink wrap the completed splice and then finally a wrap of waterproof electrical tape. Can't be too careful.

As far as headphone go, the factory phones are just OK. The drip holes allow for lots of noise so I taped them shut. When I had the factory phones, I also added
noise insulation foam to the insides of the phones. That cut back on outside noise. But it was not enough for me.

So I got myself a pair of Sure waterproof ear buds and a set of noise cancelling muffs. That worked really well but the sweat from my ears made the buds pop
loose. So I followed OldBeachnut's advice and made a set of phones. Really easy to do and really loud. I love them. Waterproof and very quiet. Better than you
can buy except for maybe a set of aftermarket phones made by a guy with GOLD master in his name.

I also added the Mel Parker / OldBeachnut remote pinpoint switch. That really made a difference for me. I love hunting in pin point and it sure is nice to be able
to switch back and forth effortlessly. Makes hunting with the Excalibur a whole different experience.

Make sure you either get a chest mount, or my favorite, a straight shaft. I made my own straight shaft and it is really nice. Some prefer the under the fore arm
mount for a straight shaft where I prefer the behind the elbow for better balance. It makes swinging the Excalibur almost effortless. A lot of people use the chest mount
system. I see the advantages of a chest mount but also there are some disadvantages such as cable breakage. Either way, you cannot go wrong. Plugger, who is an advertiser
on this site, has an excellent straight shaft with a better shaft lock system on it than the factory cam locks. Stronger and way, way better! I own several of his shafts and they are
some of the best.

Get yourself a 1600 MAH battery to replace the factory battery. They advertise on Flea bay. You can hunt all day with the 1600 and not worry about the battery pooping out on you. I've gone 23 hours of hunting
with the 1600 battery.

I don't use the coil cover. Too much sand gets into it and causes falsing.

The WOT can be too much for the Excalibur meaning it is too sensitive to EMI. I cut back on my sensitivity when using the WOT. It does not affect the depth much and
allows for the WOT to be much quieter. The WOT is kind of difficult in the water in that it is super sensitive to waves at the edge of the water. I find a lot of rings at the waters
edge and so you have to figure out what the WOT is telling you. It is a learning process.

You have an advantage because you have a Sovereign. It is very much like the Excalibur. You know what the Sovereign can do. Now you will have a machine that is a sovereign
in the water.
 
If it has a warrenty you may want to wait till it runs out, if not use the 10 inch for awhile, the WQT is a great coil..but limits the areas you can hunt.
 
I have a ? on chest mount ,why would it put stress on cable , I just bought on from plugger and it has a cable restrain . Then you would stick with stock shaft.
Thanks Newbie
 
If the unit is brand new, I would wait until the warranty expires before doing any mods to it. Changing out the coil and headphones WILL void your warranty. I would stick with getting a Plugger 2 piece travel rod and a knob guard and wait on the others. The best headphones are the Mr. Goldmas#$%# headphones (IMHO) and I plan on doing that mod when my warranty expires. I would think long and hard about putting a WOT 15" on it, unless you are planning on doing just dry and wet sand hunts. It will be very difficult to swing that big of a coil in the water.
 
thank you Finderskeepers for all your ecxellent information, I will defenitly do if not all what you have done at lease few ofthose improvements. but the first thing I'm going to get after the Excall is the straight shaft or the chest mount unit.
and a 1600 battery will be a great adition too.
Oldbeechnut, Thank you for your advice about the warranty, you are right so I'm going to waith for the changes, besides I may whant to learn as much as posible whith the stock coil.
 
Like they said don't do any coil or headphone changes until the unit is out of warranty. Probably the only thing you could do while under warranty is change the shaft or use another battery, because you could throw it back on the stock shaft and swap the battery back to stock if it needed warranty work. See the Excal accessories sticky for pics and links to various shafts and such.

The Excal accessories sticky also has links to headphone mods and installing a waterproof headphone plug if you want to do that. The Coil sticky has a ton of links towards the end of it for hard wiring the WOT to the Excal or installing a waterproof plug to swap coils. You might want to consider the plug route as then you could use the WOT on your Sovereign too. A picture of the battery he is talking about can be found in the Excal accessories sticky and more info on it can be found in the Excal/Sov battery sticky.

Many people don't change the headphones by hard wiring a new set to the Excal or installing a waterproof plug, but rather many just install new speakers or transducers in the stock headphones themselves, and I think some modify the muffs too maybe? There are numerous threads on that in this forum and in the modifications forum if you do a search for that. That's a common question that I overlooked throwing some links to in the Excal accessories sticky so I might dig up some links for that to throw in there sooner or later.
 
thank you critter, I will do that when the time cames and the warrany is over. I just love the Sov, and I will like to have the Excall for this Summer and do few water hunts too.
now here is another question. wich coil will be beter the WOT 15 or the SEF 12X15. on my Sov I have found the SEF more stable and easy to separate than the WOT.
Do you think that SEF coil will be better than the WOT?
thank you!
 
Tough question. I owned a 15x12 but never the WOT. The 15x12 was too much drag for my tastes in the water, but it did go deper than stock in the sand, but not as deep as the stock 10" Tornado on land in my somewhat mineralized soil for some reason. I was impressed with it's separation for such a large coil due to it's unique shape, but the 12x10 is even more outstanding in that respect. Many beach or water hunters love the WOT for depth and such. The SEF coils are too new to really judge which they prefer in respect to the WOT on the beach though.
 
The WOT and the 15 X 12 are similar in depth, but I believe the WOT is lighter (do not have the specs in front of me). I've used the 15 X 12 at the beach with my E-Trac and was finding coins and jewelry up to 14 inches based on the number of scoops dug. I found some 50 cal machine gun shell at around 18 inches. The WOT would be easier to swing in the water, though I would not recommend using either of them in the water due to the drag. I did some shallow water hunting at the surf line with the 15 X 12 and it was a workout. If it was me, I would go with the lighter coil. Swinging that big of a coil all day long is not an easy thing to do. If your fit and have no medical issues (bad back, shoulders, etc..) you may be fine. I have to use the Swingy Thingy harness to be able to swing my 15 X 12 for any length of time.
 
You must be talking about FBS versions of the SEF coils because the coil weight chart (found in the coil sticky) shows the WOT to be the heaviest coil for the Sovereign, and it shows (we weighed them all) the FBS versions of the SEF coils to be heavier on them than the BBS versions for the Sov/Xcal are. In fact, the 15x12 without coil cover is I believe from memory lighter than the stock 10" Tornado with coil cover, and is much lighter than the WOT. Check that coil weight/price/size chart I put together that there is a link for on the first page or two of the coil sticky. The FBS versions are a good bit heavier than the BBS versions. Oddly though, I've got some weight numbers for the FBS and BBS versions of the 13" Ultimate and the BBS version appears to be heavier than the FBS version in that case. Not sure why that would be and find it curious, but either way the BBS version is still a very light coil. I'm going to post those numbers once I convert to ounces from grams and check on a few sources to confirm those weights I dug up. I'll be posting the info in the coil weight chart thread that the coil sticky links to.
 
My WOT is fly weight! It is so thin that it glides through the water with no trouble at all. I can't imagine a coil being lighter but then again, I never weighed it. And it could be that I am the son of Jorel and kryptonite is deadly to me!
 
The weight has nothing to do with how easy to glides through the water as weight is almost neutral for things under water most of the time. But I bet the WOT glides easier than the 15x12 in the water due to the shapes of both coils. The SEF coils are more "squarish" on their sides and not sleek/round like a WOT. That's also why I think the S-12 is so popular among water hunters. I bet the S-12 might even be easier to glide through the water then the stock 10" Tornado as I think (?) from memory the S-12 looks less "fat" in the pictures maybe. Either way, if the S-12 isn't less resistance than the stock coil in the water it can't be much different in drag I would think to even notice. Anybody use one that can say how it compares to the stock 10" Tornado in water drag? I'm also curious if the 12x10 is comparable to the S-12 or stock 10" Tornado in drag in the water too. I haven't used my 12x10 in the water as my stock 10" Tornado stays on my water rig (original shaft) all the time.
 
NOW YOU GOT ME THINKING ON SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT ABOUT COILS.:sadwalk:
Are saing that I can hunt in the shallow water with ether the SOV. GT or the Etrac?:huh:
all this time I'm thinking that it require a special coils to be use in the water.:unsure:
is there something that needs to be done to the coil in order to be submerge, I know the detectors are not water prove but I can use my Sov. bag to hang it from my chest and used, lets said the SEF 10X12 in the water?:help:
please Inlightme with all your wisdom about this, because if this is the case I may not need to buy a water detector at all.
Thank you all!
Abel.
 
Many of the coils are waterproof. You would need to look at the specs for your coils to determine that. The stock Pro coil on the E-Trac is waterproof and can be submerged, as well as the 12 x 10 SEF. I believe most of the Excelerator coils are waterproof. A lot of people put silicon over the coil bolt where the cable connects to the coil as a precaution. You have to be careful not to raise the coil over the height of the control box as water will run down the inside of the shaft and fry your control box.
 
If you look in the coil sticky all this info is there. Every Sovereign coil I'm aware of is waterproof except the 8 and 11" Coinsearch coils and the old S-12 solid Sun Ray coil I think. Oh, and the new Ultimate 13" coil isn't waterproof either. All these coils are only rated water resistant. Which means you *might* get away with using them in the water but you are taking a huge risk. People usually put rubber cement or silicon on the coil's cable nut threads, and then under the rubber nut sleeve that slides down too so seal that to the coil cable. That's the spot (nut and where the coil cable enters the coil) that is at most risk for letting water in. However, if you've got one little pin hole leak anywhere on the coil it could be the end of it if water gets in somehow.

Some are using the Ultimate 13" coil in the water. I've seen a few Excal guys using it so far in the water on here, but I hear it tries to float a tad due to not being filled with epoxy.

The SEF coils, 10" Tornado, 8" Tornado, BBS coils, WOT, S-12 (the newer spiderweb version), Excelerators, and so on...All are waterproof because they are filled with epoxy. I guess Ralph says the S-5 is also epoxy filled so I'd assume it's waterproof too? Don't know about the 5" Excelerator coils.

Even with the above coils I think it's still a good idea to remove the coil cable nut and put some kind of sealer like rubber cement or silicon on the threads, as well as under the rubber nut sleeve to that seals to the coil cable. I prefer Shoe Goo for doing this and use it on all my coils. It can be found at most stores like walmart, usualy in the Shoe repair section or the glue isle too. This stuff is super thick to it stays where you put it, dries clear, and stays very flexible so it won't crack on you down the road from movement/stress. I plan to use the stuff to seal my heaphone and coil cables to a waterproof box when I ever get around to getting one to throw my GT into during water hunts. A cheap way to avoid getting the box wet. The headphones and coil (stock 10") will stay on that box permanently, so I don't need connectors to swap them all the time.

Of special note, the SEF coils usually come with the coil nut either off or very loose, so for sure make sure it's tightened down and sealed even if you don't plan to water hunt. Even though coils filled with epoxy shouldn't allow water to get to the windings if there is a breach in the coil case, I suspect there is a slight chance water can wick down the coil cable wires and to the pre-amp circuit. I've seen that circuit exposed on some coils and it was incased in epoxy too, but I still think there is a slight risk that water can wick down the wires to it, so I say seal under the nut and rubber nut sleeve for added insurance.

Yep, your Sovereign is meant to be amphibious. One of the few machines on the market that is. That's why the coil and meter cables or so long, so you can chest mount the box while water hunting. Not only is the coil cable usually not long enough on other machines to chest mount, but many machines don't allow you to remove the control box to chest mount, so the Sovereign is special in that way. A true land/water machine, to where you can wade about belly button deep so long as there isn't any wave action. I stick the control box in a ziplock bag and seal the hole that the coil cable goes through with rubber bands. The headphone plug I just poke through the bag to plug in. Once all the controls are set I ziplock the bag closed. Now even if I fell in or got splashed by a rouge wave I think the only place water can get in is right where I poked the headphone through the bag, so I bet I bet it will survive a quick dunk with no water damage.

As he said, with your Etrac be careful about turning the machine upside down because water can run up the shaft and into the control box. I've seen a lot of different machines get destroyed that way on the net over the years. Almost did it myself a few times. Best to drill two holes in the lower shaft right about the plastic oil mount insert. Stick a measuring tape down the lower shaft until you hit the top of the coil mount insert to measure where it ends. Then mark and drill two small holes on the shaft so it just clears the top of that insert, so that all water will drain as you work your way out of the water. I did that to the stock GT shaft because that's my water rig. I drilled one right at the front and back side of the shaft so with the normal hunting angle the water should all at least drain out of the back hole due to the angle. Keep an eye on it as seaweed can plug them here and there. You don't want to drill them real big or that might weaken the shaft.
 
Wow, Thank you guys for all that great Information, I will defenetly try that with the Sov. because is the one that has the longes cable fro the coil.
all I'm wandering now is about the headphones if I slip or fall into a dip area of the lake.
thank you all, you all are great.
 
If you have the Sovereign or any machine for that matter still on the shaft, like they said be careful not to lay the machine down on the ground because water might run up the shaft into the control box and destroy it. That's why you need to drill holes into the shaft as I said, and even then don't trust that if the machine is on the shaft. I've seen people ruin machines landing them down after water hunting and I almost did it myself too once or twice.
 
Thank you all for your advices. I got my machine nad I have done few changes aldeady (all good for warranty like the straigh shaft and drill the holes for the water to drain out)
I will give it a try this weekend and I will post any finds that I get.
thank you!
 
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