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New Black Tejon
- Thread starter BarryL
- Start date
Nah, stay with the concentric.The 11x8 is for perfectionists with audiophile
grade headphones that wants the hear all the crisp clear subtle harmonics
that come from the new technology.
Besides with so many signals coming in from so many targets with so many harmonics due to the fast target signal
seperation it aint for the simple of listening. Of course you can use the speaker
or comercial metal detector headphones and beep dig it if you want. If that is what you want
then, yep, it works better in mineral soil and dont not weigh much wich means
it probably wont hold up to weed wacking or using it for a crutch.
PS watch out for those coins at an angle , they pinpoint where theyre not at times. This could
make your pinpointer become useful.
grade headphones that wants the hear all the crisp clear subtle harmonics
that come from the new technology.
Besides with so many signals coming in from so many targets with so many harmonics due to the fast target signal
seperation it aint for the simple of listening. Of course you can use the speaker
or comercial metal detector headphones and beep dig it if you want. If that is what you want
then, yep, it works better in mineral soil and dont not weigh much wich means
it probably wont hold up to weed wacking or using it for a crutch.
PS watch out for those coins at an angle , they pinpoint where theyre not at times. This could
make your pinpointer become useful.
Kickindirt
Member
I tried a nel sharpshooter coil on my Tejon in a iron infested site. Sorry to say i only had it on about five minutes. U will be sorry if u dont get the concentric. New 11x8 will be same result. Look up on youtube monte nailboard test, the DD coils dont do very well.
Ive got 5 detectors. And am going to compare the black Tejon to the vaquero. And will probably sell one or the other. How much are used Tejons going for? I had a tejon before seems like
it was sensative to EMI where I hunted. Toys come and go but i am keeping my MXT pro, its got all them
bells and whistles that never get old.
it was sensative to EMI where I hunted. Toys come and go but i am keeping my MXT pro, its got all them
bells and whistles that never get old.
two new 'stock' search coils, the good old 8X9 Concentric and new 8X11 DD.
You didn't mention what kind of need you have for it, the site conditions, such as sparse or very trashy, or whether it is ferrous junk or non-ferrous trash you'll deal with. So, let me answer it from the standpoint I have for picking any search coil, and that is to be able to deal with dense brush, short field stubble and/or short stiff weeds, densely littered sites that abound with nails and other ferrous trash, and, if I want to hunt longer periods in such sites without fatigue, 'comfort.'
I have tried the new DD coil along with others in some tough side-by-side comparisons. Track down Cal Cobra on the Findmall Forums and ask him how his Tejón with an assortment of search coils performed on my challenging Nail Board Performance Test in a Nevada ghost town last month. Now, if you are hunting a relatively clean environment and don't need any Discrimination to deal with iron litter, that's another thing, but I put the 8X11 to the test and had the same results Cal Cobra had ... terrible.
He had the Tesoro 6X10 DD off a Lobo SuperTRAQ, a NEL Sharpshooter DD and the new 8X11 Tesoro DD. Setting the Discrimination to just barely reject the four iron nails, he compared all four coils. Failure to pass the NBPT which means all of those coils were poor choices for very littered sites. Was it the coil's size? No, it was the coils type, as they were all Double-D and those struggle when hunting in densely littered places.
He didn't have a small 6" Concentric like I had on my Tesoro's, but he did have the other 'stock' coil, the 8X9 Concentric. Also what some would consider to be a coil that is too big for such a challenge, but I was ready for the surprised look on his face when he mounted it to compare with all of the DD coils he had. It passed the NBPT with 100% impressive results.
So, it is really a matter of what you are looking for in a coil, and you didn't mention that.
I have compare it in some highly mineralized environments, too, where people think a DD ought to out-performance a Concentric coil. Nope, not when it was trashy, and just barely edged the 8X9 Concentric in some clean spots. Back in the very latter '70s and though the '80s there was a bit more noticeable difference in 'bad ground' performance, but search coils have been improved as well as the detector operating circuitry, and while I have some DD coils in my detector arsenal, my preference [size=small](when available)[/size] is still for a concentric coil, even in highly mineralized regions.
Let us know what the specific interests are that you have for the new DD coil vs. the former Concentric coil. I'm curious.
Monte
You didn't mention what kind of need you have for it, the site conditions, such as sparse or very trashy, or whether it is ferrous junk or non-ferrous trash you'll deal with. So, let me answer it from the standpoint I have for picking any search coil, and that is to be able to deal with dense brush, short field stubble and/or short stiff weeds, densely littered sites that abound with nails and other ferrous trash, and, if I want to hunt longer periods in such sites without fatigue, 'comfort.'
I have tried the new DD coil along with others in some tough side-by-side comparisons. Track down Cal Cobra on the Findmall Forums and ask him how his Tejón with an assortment of search coils performed on my challenging Nail Board Performance Test in a Nevada ghost town last month. Now, if you are hunting a relatively clean environment and don't need any Discrimination to deal with iron litter, that's another thing, but I put the 8X11 to the test and had the same results Cal Cobra had ... terrible.
He had the Tesoro 6X10 DD off a Lobo SuperTRAQ, a NEL Sharpshooter DD and the new 8X11 Tesoro DD. Setting the Discrimination to just barely reject the four iron nails, he compared all four coils. Failure to pass the NBPT which means all of those coils were poor choices for very littered sites. Was it the coil's size? No, it was the coils type, as they were all Double-D and those struggle when hunting in densely littered places.
He didn't have a small 6" Concentric like I had on my Tesoro's, but he did have the other 'stock' coil, the 8X9 Concentric. Also what some would consider to be a coil that is too big for such a challenge, but I was ready for the surprised look on his face when he mounted it to compare with all of the DD coils he had. It passed the NBPT with 100% impressive results.
So, it is really a matter of what you are looking for in a coil, and you didn't mention that.
I have compare it in some highly mineralized environments, too, where people think a DD ought to out-performance a Concentric coil. Nope, not when it was trashy, and just barely edged the 8X9 Concentric in some clean spots. Back in the very latter '70s and though the '80s there was a bit more noticeable difference in 'bad ground' performance, but search coils have been improved as well as the detector operating circuitry, and while I have some DD coils in my detector arsenal, my preference [size=small](when available)[/size] is still for a concentric coil, even in highly mineralized regions.
Let us know what the specific interests are that you have for the new DD coil vs. the former Concentric coil. I'm curious.
Monte
Okay, I get to laugh at myself on this one.
First, to Cal Cobra: Sorry! Somehow in my tired, unpacking break-time here where I moved I had a metal slip between you and Kammerer1 on our WTHO to Nevada ghost towns last month. My flub-up.
Second, Cal Cobra only got to witness the lack of performance of a CTX-3030 with the new Minelab 6" DD coil on the NBPT. It was Kammerer1 who had acquired the Tejón and a flock of search coils http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,2230682,2230682#msg-2230682 and put them to the test. He used a silver Barber Dime he had found at one of the ghost towns instead of an Indian Head/Zinc Cent on the NBPT. See the link of the coils he had that I am referring to.
So I apologize to all readers for a kind of rare goof on my part.
Monte
First, to Cal Cobra: Sorry! Somehow in my tired, unpacking break-time here where I moved I had a metal slip between you and Kammerer1 on our WTHO to Nevada ghost towns last month. My flub-up.
Second, Cal Cobra only got to witness the lack of performance of a CTX-3030 with the new Minelab 6" DD coil on the NBPT. It was Kammerer1 who had acquired the Tejón and a flock of search coils http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,2230682,2230682#msg-2230682 and put them to the test. He used a silver Barber Dime he had found at one of the ghost towns instead of an Indian Head/Zinc Cent on the NBPT. See the link of the coils he had that I am referring to.
So I apologize to all readers for a kind of rare goof on my part.
Monte
just as impressive as it was with the Gray Tejón as it isn't different in circuitry design, just appearance.
Many manufactures used to use silver or gold colored rods, and sometimes red or green or some other color to complement their different colored detector control housings. It gave them all their own uniqueness. Garrett had a different shade of Green than Compass, for example. Then things started to change about 1982. Some manufacturers used a gold pained housing and rods, like on the Gold Mountain VIP, but they also had big-sized colorful decals or paint that stood out, then along came the start of the Fisher 1200 series with the 1260X.
Black rods and housing, and that continued to the Gold Bug, Gold Bug II, CZ's, etc. About '87/'88 White's ditched the silver rods and blue housings for black rods and black housings on the 'SL' series, and it continues to this day on the majority of their models. Garrett still had the Garrett Green color concept with the GTA/GTP/GTI models, but dumped that for the 'trendy' black rods and black housing on their AT series. Many other manufacturers have all followed that trend, for the most part, and I was personally pleased that Tesoro kept the Brown and Gray color schemes for their two model groups.
Thus, for roughly a third-of-a-century we have seem make after make transition to 'Black.' I wouldn't have done that and it might be that Tesoro had so many black rods and housings from their foreign-produced offerings that it was a cost thing. Still, I wouldn't have gone all Black. Nonetheless, the models themselves still provide the reliable performance they have all along, and that's a good thing. I would have kelp them as they were or go to a different color that would be pleasant, not ghastly, and be different from the no-old 'trend' to Black.
Monte
No.supertraq said:Is there something special about the black tejon other than color, ...
Personally, I am pretty tired of so many Black detectors, and it isn't "special now days," either.supertraq said:... and yes I know black is special now days?
Many manufactures used to use silver or gold colored rods, and sometimes red or green or some other color to complement their different colored detector control housings. It gave them all their own uniqueness. Garrett had a different shade of Green than Compass, for example. Then things started to change about 1982. Some manufacturers used a gold pained housing and rods, like on the Gold Mountain VIP, but they also had big-sized colorful decals or paint that stood out, then along came the start of the Fisher 1200 series with the 1260X.
Black rods and housing, and that continued to the Gold Bug, Gold Bug II, CZ's, etc. About '87/'88 White's ditched the silver rods and blue housings for black rods and black housings on the 'SL' series, and it continues to this day on the majority of their models. Garrett still had the Garrett Green color concept with the GTA/GTP/GTI models, but dumped that for the 'trendy' black rods and black housing on their AT series. Many other manufacturers have all followed that trend, for the most part, and I was personally pleased that Tesoro kept the Brown and Gray color schemes for their two model groups.
Thus, for roughly a third-of-a-century we have seem make after make transition to 'Black.' I wouldn't have done that and it might be that Tesoro had so many black rods and housings from their foreign-produced offerings that it was a cost thing. Still, I wouldn't have gone all Black. Nonetheless, the models themselves still provide the reliable performance they have all along, and that's a good thing. I would have kelp them as they were or go to a different color that would be pleasant, not ghastly, and be different from the no-old 'trend' to Black.
Monte