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Nervous E-trac Newbie........

oneguy

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Have an E-Trac showing up next Tues. and after browsing the E-Trac forums for the past few days reading all I can, I have to admit I'm a little intimidated.....

About myself: I'm 59 and live in western Montana. Been MDing for 22yrs now with a 22yr old Tesoro Golden Sabre II and have dug many thousands of coins and have a nice silver collection, etc. I'm a coinshooter and could care less about gold, relics, nickels, etc. I'm a silver coin guy for the most part. My GSII with the high disc I normally run is basically a 4-5" machine on a silver dime and a beep & dig. I do very well with it but wanted more depth and MORE info BEFORE I dig so I decided on the E-Trac hoping the machine will give me that. I made my decision after viewing your finds and reading your praise about the machine and I think I made the right choice.

I'm nervous and intimidated with all the programs, screens, multi tones, etc. and understand it takes time with any new machine, even beep & dig machines...

With that said, I thought I'd introduce myself, mention my hunting style (old coins), and ask you folks if you have any suggestions, pointers, tips, do's & don'ts, advice, recommendations, etc. for a soon-to-be new E-Trac user...?????

A little nervous but looking forward to the new machine and totally new to me bells & whistles thing....

Any advice would be appreciated and THANKS...!!!!!
 
Just my opinion - but you really have nothing to be nervous about !
You have much more time in the field than most of us and that will be a huge help.
The E-Trac has many setting options but all you have to do is find the right settings for the type of hunting that you want to do and set it up for the types of areas that you want to hunt.
As far as wanting to find deep Silver that you missed with your other machines - the E-Trac is - hands down - the right machine for the job !

Here's a few things that have really helped many of us ...

( 1 ) - Buy a copy of Andy's Minelab Explorer & E-Trac Book - this book is much more detailed than the factory manual - lot's of great info. about your machine in this book !

( 2 ) - Keep reading the posts & post any questions you have - in this forum and in the "Minelab - E-Trac Classroom" forum - a lot of people with tons of E-Trac field experience here.

( 3 ) - If you plan on hunting around old houses and in other heavy iron areas - get a smaller coil if possible ( 7" max. ) and run your machine in the Two Tone Ferrous ( 2TF) program that "Goes4Ever"has posted at the top this page.

Welcome to the forum and good luck witjh your new machine !
 
You're way ahead with your experince in the area as you already know the productive areas. Pick your favorite and go there and dig. Nothing teaches tones and IDs better than digging. The biggest issue you have ahead of you is the weather closing you down pretty soon. When does your area freeze up? Has to be pretty quick now. Could make for a frustrating few months. When it get's too hard to dig here I still detect but don't try to dig. I just carry a notebook and make notes of where I get those high pitch screamers that have to be good targets and then go back and collect them in the Spring.:)
 
There really isn't that many settings to fool with. Even if you get some a little off - it will find silver. I suggest Bills park pattern that's posted here at the top of the forum. I have never used any of the stock programs. It is pretty much a "set it and forget it" machine. No real need to fiddle with much in the field. Be prepared to dig deep. You old silver mines will become productive again. So go back to all of your good spots.
 
If you don't have a test garden, put one in before it gets too cold up there (assuming you have the real estate to do one). Information about test gardens is in Andy's book, also, but essentially just bury different coins at different depths, put some type of marker there to ID what's in each hole (golf tees with numbers work well), and practice in it over the winter. When I built mine I didn't just put good, silver coin targets. I also put in some clad, some trash, iron, some good and bad targets in the same hole, etc. I read the book over the course of the winter and practiced in my test garden. By the time spring came around I had a pretty good grasp on the E-trac. After several months of hunting targets I felt I probably had mastered it to about 90%. It is a great machine. That's why I kept mine for a backup when I bought a CTX. If you don't have it figured out by the spring, I'll come up there (as we discussed earlier) for a hunt and give you a hand.
 
Don't read all the hype........... It's not that hard to learn unless you make it that way...

Work with the sensitivity only when first starting out.. Auto plus 3 works miracles on the Etrac.

Your way better off learning what settings work in your area than trying to emulate someone else's settings unless their near you and have the same dirt..

By settings I don't mean major changes.. I mean sens, disc, iron reject, sounds you like on targets, ....Just like you do on any other detector..

Your biggest issue will be going slower on your swings to get max results with the Multi frequency.

All of us like to post our settings.......and many of us make it sound really hard... We all want to be special I guess and get to thinking our way is the only way..

Go at your own pace............. understand what each setting does and make it work for you...
 
dont be intimidated. just think of it like this, a car is intimidating to someone who has never driven, but once you do it for a while, it becomes second nature. just stick to the factory settings for the first few hunts, which should be at easy locations like new parks, so you can feel out the machine.

if the etrac gets "chatty", dont let the sounds drive you crazy. its nothing youre doing wrong. keep it set to auto, or auto +3 at first. the etrac is very sensitive to targets, emi, ground minerals, iron strewn trashy areas, etc. and if it senses those things, it will chat in your ear all about it. :surrender:

youre looking for a nice repeatable tone.

just give it a chance at a local park where theres clad. you'll see the etrac can be used in a laid back manner, or it can be "pushed" and driven hard like a race car. learn to walk before you run.
 
Thanks a BUNCH guys....your words and advise have calmed me down a lot.... Got to admit that all the E-Trac lingo sounds so complicated when one doesn't know the language. I do have the book coming with the machine, you guys, and it looks like G4E and most the others are quite willing to help so I should be ok. Like someone mentioned, my days are numbered. If nothing else, I'll have all winter to read up and get familiar with E-Trac lingo and actually a little time with the machine hopefully. Thanks again...you put me at ease somewhat.
Mason Jarr said:
If you don't have it figured out by the spring, I'll come up there (as we discussed earlier) for a hunt and give you a hand.
Yeah Mike, If you happen to come up to N. Id. or Mt. next spring or summer I'm sure I'll still be green so any info from another can help? I can come up with some places to hunt where there may be some crumbs left...??? I wasn't aware when we talked before that you ran an E-trac....wasn't paying attention.

Thanks again.....

khouse said:
Your old silver mines will become productive again. So go back to all of your good spots.
The above is EXACTLY the reason I chose the E........
 
Swing it like you stole it.( LOL.) No but really the E-trac is a great machine and user friendly. I do agree with everybody else about getting Andy's book that's a big help. The nice thing about the E-trac is there is a ton of info on the net and also a bunch of experienced E-trac users willing to help you. Good luck and HH.
 
The books won't make sense at first. Just read them and hunt. Fiddle with the settings in the field. You can't mess it up. Then go over the books again and they will "start" to make sense. Just keep Andy's book right next to the Toilet.
 
The E-Trac will find non-ferrous targets and you don't have to do much to make it happen. You can probably adjust settings to less than ideal and make it harder on yourself but it is unlikely you can go too far wrong. Once you have the setting selected it becomes a turn-on-and-go detector.

Most settings don't have a big impact on performance - some may make the E-Trac less stable or make it harder to hear the non-ferrous target, so the following setup is recommended:

Sensitivity Mode ..............Auto
Manual Sensitivity Level (leave alone for now)
Auto Sensitivity Level ......+3
Threshold Level .............14
Volume Limit .............15
Volume Gain ........... 26
Response .................Normal or Long
Tone ID No. of Tones........2 or 4
Tone ID Sounds ..........Ferrous
Tone ID Variability ..........30
Tone ID Limits.............. 30
Threshold Pitch......... 16
Recovery Deep......... OFF
Recovery Fast.......... ON
Trash Density .......... High
Ground ......... ............. Difficult
Contrast ......... .......... 15
Pinpoint Mode ........Normal or Sizing
Show Sensitivity........ ON
Show Mode Info ......ON
Display Timeout........ ON

TTF and 4TF are popular because it divides the audio tones into 2 or 4 bins. In TTF the Fe values (1-35 North-South on screen) are divided High 01 to 17Fe and Low tone 18 to 35Fe. Most good targets are along the 12Fe line, give or take +/- 4Fe values. Co values (1-50 East-West on screen) show increasing conductivity - such that a 03Co might be foil (or a white gold thin ring) and 15Co might be a pull-tab (or a nickel) and 45Co and higher might be silver ring, quarter, dime, etc.

So, if you get a 12-13 for instance, the cursor will be at 12Fe and 13Co (Fe-Co), which is about pull-tab or nickel area. You'll never know if something along the 12 Fe line is valuable unless you dig it (the TID is nice but you gotta dig to confirm). Generally, if you get a repeatable audio signal, whether weak or strong, it is worth digging up.

The E-Trac is most sensitive when it doesn't have DISC'd zones (set to darkened pixels). DISC'd area will not give a TID display or audio - you get nothing. The more DISC you use the less depth you get and the more likely you are to miss good targets. So, most people will eventually find that using an open screen pattern (no DISC) or very limited DISC along the bottom edge is all that is needed. If you are looking for shallow coin targets (don't mind losing some depth) and just want to quiet the iron nail responses - you can use more DISC and it will run much quieter.

The E-Trac gives you 2 screen patterns to switch between. Most people have one pattern set to Open and the other to a DISC pattern (to silence iron or low conductors). You can switch between them any time by pushing a button.

Here is an example of a DISC pattern that shuts up most iron (including the wrap-around High tone). Wrap-around is when the Fe35 (along bottom), which is strong magnetic (ferrous) signal, gets pushed to 01-02Fe (along top) and gives a High audio chirp (in TTF). It is distracting and makes novice users think they hit silver. But the difference between a true High tone and the wrapped High tone is easy to hear: the wrapped tone is truncated and non-repeatable (nails have sharp points, bends, or large oval nail heads that produce sparks of non-ferrous-like signals - but do not repeat). You will want to dig any repeatable signal that has high Co values - it is likely valuable.



As you sweep the coil even with the ground, the machine in Open (no DISC) will sound off in TTF with High chirps (iron) and Low tone (iron) and High Tone (non-ferrous targets). You need to learn to discern the wild intermittent chirps from a repeatable High Tone. Also, dig a few Low Tone repeatables - they're probably nails at 6-12", but you need to know what makes the sound you are hearing. Elongated iron (nails) will often appear to center in one spot while sweeping over the target and then appear to be offset when you go to pinpoint. You will often find that the TID will show something like 6" deep but when you dig the nail will be at 12". This is because iron is ferromagnetic and enhances those eddy currents - making the nail appear shallower (stronger) than it really is. If you dig for your coin and it isn't there (and the pinpointer says "dig deeper"), you are probably chasing a nail.

Dig those low Co values too - they're mostly foil gum wrappers and assorted junk - but they can easily be a thin ring (you can't know by hearing - you have to dig to be sure, especially if the depth indicator shows it a few inches down - most junk is near the surface). Note: If you sweep a target and don't get any depth indication, be aware that you have to sweep past the center-point (bell-curve) so that the signal drops again, this way the processor knows the max signal has occurred and can give the depth. Note2: The depth indicated is for a coin-sized target - if the target isn't a coin then it isn't going to be as accurate.

The image below might be a bit confusing - it is a basic map of the E-Trac display and where a variety of targets would be expected. Now, if the soil is mineralized (magnetite) the Fe values can be pushed downward - so a target that would be 12-41 (Fe-Co) in the air is 15-39 (Fe-Co) 6" down in mineralized soil. Is it iron junk? Could be - but most ferrous targets are below 18Fe and are elongated - so that they are highly sensitive to the angle of sweep. That means if you alter your sweep direction the TID will bounce around (jump about) with each new attack angle. Coins are not directional like that - so you can be confident that higher Fe values that jump about is probably (not always though) an iron object (could be a non-ferrous target surrounded by iron - which is usually masked and will only give a stable TID in one narrow sweep direction and won't give a two-sweep tone. These take some practice to hear and wiggle out. You actually have to narrow the sweep down to a wiggle over the target and listen for a one-way repeatable audio - that is the signature of a deeper coin in and around iron).



There is quite a bit of overlap between some ferrous metal targets - they can register a TID as if they were a valued non-ferrous target. For instance, here is a screen shot of many, many bottle caps and where they fall on the TID. You can see that bottle caps can be just about anywhere. So, you're gonna dig some junk.



In fact, just to prove a point - I air tested a hundred junk targets (bottle caps, pull-tabs, wire, bits and pieces of junk) of all sorts just for the purpose of showing where they fall. Many are right amongst the 12Fe line - which is the gravy spot for non-ferrous coins and jewelry (for instance, a gold ring might be 12-02 or 12-06 or 12-09, which could also just be junk).



Here is a picture of some of the junk you will be digging with your E-Trac:




Here are a variety of pull-tabs - the enemy of all detectorists, and where the fall on the E-Trac display (note: that is down the 12Fe line, so it could be a good non-ferrous target too - you'll have to dig to be sure it is really a pull-tab, though most pull-tabs are less than 3" deep, so if it is deeper your probability of recovering something valuable increases):



I'm making this point, not to disillusion you about the E-Trac but so you'll know what to expect when you are out detecting. The E-Trac is a good detector and has one of the best TID in mineralized soil. It is deep and runs stable, unlike some others that chatter constantly. It runs on a very low frequency and therefore isn't good on small gold chains and thin jewelry - it just isn't able to 'see' low conductors very well. To do that a higher op freq is needed. But because the E-Trac does operate at a low freq (forget the hype - it processes two frequencies low and high, 3.125kHz and 25kHz, where 25kHz is a harmonic and not particularly strong), it is less sensitive to iron - which is a good thing (its a trade-off, ignore iron and you also ignore low conductors like small gold).

Remember to play with the detector - try different settings. I haven't found that the various so-called "Expert Menu" settings (Deep, Fast, Trash Density, Ground) make much difference, set them to whatever you like. I keep Trash Density High on all the time - and leave the others OFF. If you want to increase depth, you can run in Manual-30, but the machine will likely chatter (false) on tiny ferrous bits in the ground - which makes the good non-ferrous harder to discern. Try backing off to Manual-24, or whatever is necessary to recover a more stable audio. The TID will be less accurate in Manual too. All in all, Auto+3 does very well for most hunting.

When you press "pinpoint" button you are in an "all metal" DC mode - which means the detector audio will increase over whatever is the strongest signal (VCO audio). This may not be the target you wanted when in DISC (or Open) mode. I'd suggest you X point the center of the target while in DISC (or Open screen) and then use "pinpoint" with the coil moving slightly (1" either side of center). If you find while in pinpoint that the center is not where you expected - you've probably wandered off to some nearby nails or junk. As with other detectors, when slightly off-center of the max pinpoint center - re-select "pinpoint" button to reset the audio and narrow the response. It will help narrow the audio so the target center is clearly defined.

Since the detector is heavy - you should sweep with an economy of motion. That means, use your wrist and save your elbow from pivoting. The torque should not be on the arm-shoulder as the constant sweeping (changing of direction) will tire the forearm quickly. Use the wrist and sweep in a relaxed fashion. Try switching from right hand to left, you can learn to be ambidextrous with a little practice, which gives one arm a rest. Always Noise Cancel before hunting - you can have the coil in the air or on the ground - whichever makes you happy (I've not found any particular cancel number to have any affect on sensitivity. Noise cancel slightly shifts the freq but not enough to make any difference - about 20% change in freq across the range of noise cancel values, that is, cancel 1 gives you 22.2 kHz while cancel 11 is 27.78 kHz. But do play around with it in your test garden and see if you find any difference.)

That's about it. Use some wireless headphones with the E-Trac. I Velcro the tiny transmitter to the back. I've been using some cheap Rapoo H3070 stereo headsets. They're light and run for about 6 hours on one USB charge. I bought two sets - just in case I'm out longer and need to replace it. There is no delay with these. I use them with the E-Trac and CTX-3030 and they work just fine for me (and did I mention they are cheap?)

Most important - take your new E-Trac out and experiment, play around, don't give up, and have fun with it. Allow yourself about 100 hours to get used to it. It is really a very simple machine to set-up and use and the TID is simple to interpret. And don't fret - I've used the CTX and it is no big gain over the E-Trac - so you're not missing much, if anything at all.

In fact, the E-Trac is better in some ways and has better target resolution in certain cases (in other cases the two are about equal), so go out and find yourself something valuable!
 
Thanks Johnny...but you're scaring me again with all that info!!!! Not really, after reading thru it several times I think I understand quite a bit of what is in the post. The BIG day is Tues. so I'll be devouring the book and the manual, most likely do a few air tests, etc. and if the weather holds hopefully some time in the field..... There will be questions I'm sure but am looking forward to the new machine!!!!!! Went out today with the GSII and grabbed a few clads, coppers, no silver.......

Thanks again.........
 
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