I really need someone to help explain how to get the best out of the Vaquero. I know that continually using it would be the best way, but i'm getting discouraged because im getting confused about the tones and what means what when hearing them. Like when in pinpoint mode and you get a real high pitched sound and some are softer sounding. If someone could email me at Awareofitall316@aol.com I would greatly appreciate it
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Need someone to take me under their wing on the Vaquero
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customcutter
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I found this the other day. Check it out. New here so if it doesn't come up as a URL you can copy and paste.
http://ahrps.org/_tipsAndTechniques/AudioTargetClassification.pdf
This is the some of the best info I've found in my research the last couple of weeks. I placed it in my "favorites"
God Bless,
CC
http://ahrps.org/_tipsAndTechniques/AudioTargetClassification.pdf
This is the some of the best info I've found in my research the last couple of weeks. I placed it in my "favorites"
God Bless,
CC
customcutter said:
Thanks for the site...it helped a little. The guy made it seem like he would completely hate the vauero, since he said he finds it pointless to move the disc knob when detecting a target to se where it falls out..but other than that, his techniques seem helpful
REVIER
Well-known member
Reprint from a long time detectorist, gathered from a few but mostly Monte...
Understanding the sounds from your detector
Here are some general rules of thumb for the sounds your detector makes in discriminate and all-metal (VCO pinpointing mode).
Although I write this article from an MXT perspective, this post should more or less also apply to many other detectors with modulated audio.
If my memory serves me, I believe many of these guidelines where originally posted by that Master Jedi Detectorist, Monte .
Who has kindly shared his detecting experience with many through the years.
1. When you get a loud signal in discriminate mode and the pinpoint signal is loud--?
It is usually a large target near the surface.
2. If you get a loud signal in discriminate mode and a much weaker signal when pinpointing--?
It is usually a large target deeper.
3. If you get a good signal in discriminate mode and an extremely weak signal when pinpointing --?
It is usually a tiny target or a very deep coin size target.
Also some hot rocks and coal burnt items mimic this same sound (a little practice in this area helps).
4. If you get a good signal in discriminate mode and a clear pinpoint signal (average sound)--?
Then dig. This is usually a coin size item at average depth.
This is what many of us train their ears to.
5. If you get a weak signal in discriminate mode and also a weak pinpoint--?
This is the "cream of the crop signal" for deep target hunters.
Unfortunately some small shallow objects also mimic this sound.
Take out 3" to 4" of dirt and if the signal is still weak it is probably a deep target.
Pay close attention to those soft signals (also called "whispers" by many).
6. One way signals--these sound good on the first sweep in discriminate mode (in one direction but not in the other --backsweep, etc.).--?
When pinpointing you may get an extremely loud pinpoint and write it off as trash--DON'T!---Many times it is a good target next to a piece of trash.
Dig out the trash and look for the good target.
Experiment with some of these targets to see how your detector reacts.
7. Semi broken signals-- On the first sweep in discriminate mode you get a signal that tries to punch through the discrimination setting (usually a half to 3/4 signal).--?
This occurs in places of EXTREME trash. Swinging the coil at different angles and sweep speeds can help isolate the signal and gives you a better idea whether to dig or not.
In these cases pinpoint doesn't give you much information because of the multiple targets in the ground (trash around the good target).
Beginners have a tough time with these signals and the only real way to learn them is to PRACTICE with your detector.This is where a veteran with an inexpensive detector can clean up vs. a rookie with a new high dollar detector.
There are a lot of other things that the audio beeps can tell you. However, the specific detector being used has a lot of bearing on just how "rich" in information that beep contains. I think the old analog type detectors provided more information of this kind than the newer digital everything ones and the detectors without modulated audio take away some information as well.
On the MXT, I can usually tell by the sound level ramp up/down and width if the target is small (coin size), or a larger piece of trash. A crackly beep is usually an indication of wadded aluminum foil (it could also, under the right conditions, be a target being partiatlly discriminated). Sometimes a pulltab will produce a double beep, and so on. The non-motion all metal mode can also help you "size" the target and the VCO volume, combined with the indicated depth, can help you figure out if you really found a silver dollar or half, or if it is a crushed soda can.
Also, when you put the loop to the side of the target to go into pin poin mode, if rather than quiet you get a low level of the VCO sound before you are even close to the target, it is usually an indication of a ferrous target. It could also mean that the ground balance is way off.
You have to learn your detector's language to get the best out of it so give it time!
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Understanding the sounds from your detector
Here are some general rules of thumb for the sounds your detector makes in discriminate and all-metal (VCO pinpointing mode).
Although I write this article from an MXT perspective, this post should more or less also apply to many other detectors with modulated audio.
If my memory serves me, I believe many of these guidelines where originally posted by that Master Jedi Detectorist, Monte .
Who has kindly shared his detecting experience with many through the years.
1. When you get a loud signal in discriminate mode and the pinpoint signal is loud--?
It is usually a large target near the surface.
2. If you get a loud signal in discriminate mode and a much weaker signal when pinpointing--?
It is usually a large target deeper.
3. If you get a good signal in discriminate mode and an extremely weak signal when pinpointing --?
It is usually a tiny target or a very deep coin size target.
Also some hot rocks and coal burnt items mimic this same sound (a little practice in this area helps).
4. If you get a good signal in discriminate mode and a clear pinpoint signal (average sound)--?
Then dig. This is usually a coin size item at average depth.
This is what many of us train their ears to.
5. If you get a weak signal in discriminate mode and also a weak pinpoint--?
This is the "cream of the crop signal" for deep target hunters.
Unfortunately some small shallow objects also mimic this sound.
Take out 3" to 4" of dirt and if the signal is still weak it is probably a deep target.
Pay close attention to those soft signals (also called "whispers" by many).
6. One way signals--these sound good on the first sweep in discriminate mode (in one direction but not in the other --backsweep, etc.).--?
When pinpointing you may get an extremely loud pinpoint and write it off as trash--DON'T!---Many times it is a good target next to a piece of trash.
Dig out the trash and look for the good target.
Experiment with some of these targets to see how your detector reacts.
7. Semi broken signals-- On the first sweep in discriminate mode you get a signal that tries to punch through the discrimination setting (usually a half to 3/4 signal).--?
This occurs in places of EXTREME trash. Swinging the coil at different angles and sweep speeds can help isolate the signal and gives you a better idea whether to dig or not.
In these cases pinpoint doesn't give you much information because of the multiple targets in the ground (trash around the good target).
Beginners have a tough time with these signals and the only real way to learn them is to PRACTICE with your detector.This is where a veteran with an inexpensive detector can clean up vs. a rookie with a new high dollar detector.
There are a lot of other things that the audio beeps can tell you. However, the specific detector being used has a lot of bearing on just how "rich" in information that beep contains. I think the old analog type detectors provided more information of this kind than the newer digital everything ones and the detectors without modulated audio take away some information as well.
On the MXT, I can usually tell by the sound level ramp up/down and width if the target is small (coin size), or a larger piece of trash. A crackly beep is usually an indication of wadded aluminum foil (it could also, under the right conditions, be a target being partiatlly discriminated). Sometimes a pulltab will produce a double beep, and so on. The non-motion all metal mode can also help you "size" the target and the VCO volume, combined with the indicated depth, can help you figure out if you really found a silver dollar or half, or if it is a crushed soda can.
Also, when you put the loop to the side of the target to go into pin poin mode, if rather than quiet you get a low level of the VCO sound before you are even close to the target, it is usually an indication of a ferrous target. It could also mean that the ground balance is way off.
You have to learn your detector's language to get the best out of it so give it time!
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BarberBill
New member
After quite a bit of detecting and thinking the comments about the sounds, especially from one tone detectors, was either a crock or that I have bad ears, I finally had put in enough time to pick up many slight nuances that escaped me in the beginning. Put as much time in with your detector as you can and keep in mind what you've read here. One day you'll realize that somewhere along the line you've become in tune with your detector. Keep at it and have fun.
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