Need some input on setup for learn or edit!

[Joe Kononchik]

I will be hunting park do the beach takes to much time to get too! I will be setting up a program by using 400 to 500 gold rings and some chains. I am hoping to weed out most common pulltabs and very small foil. My time is limited so cherry picking will be my game. I am wondering if I should use the small coil or the stock coil for doing the programming ? Do they see the target the same? I will be using the 6 inch coil mostly! I will be excepting coins but may take out zincs! I understand I will be leaving some gold but plan to make the pulltab sound iffy instead of taking them completely out.I will be using the smart screen. Thank you for looking ,Joe

 

[Chris(SoCenWI)]

Programming in tight patterns by learning works reasonably well in air testing, but as soon as stuff is in the ground, mineralization and nearby surrounding targets will mess up the ID location enough to make this a waste of time. Gold is particularly difficult because depending on size and carat and alloy it can hit almost anywhere. If you want to dig gold you pretty much have to dig ALOT of trash. At the beach with a sand scoop this is pretty easy. On dry land you may quickly loose the gold bug.

You can't really take out zincs without loosing Indian head pennies and some early wheats. Here it is better to cherry pick by depth rather than trying to disc out Zincs. However I've dug a couple hundred Indian heads that where less than a two-three inches. Depends on location.

If you want to cherry pick just black out everything but the upper right hand quadrant of the screen. This will get you silver and copper. Bear in mind you will miss many coins because many will still hit outside of there area on any given sweep. Some people will leave a small hole where nickels hit but generally only ones that are quite shallow will hit there consistently. If you are clad hunting fine; but there are many detectors better suited to this for much less money.

Bottom line is you can cherry pick by ear once you put some time on you explorer. If you use a lot of discrimination the machine will never report most of the targets and you won't learn to distinguish the good iffies from the trash. If you are hunting locations that have seen a lot of metal detectors over the years about the only stuff left in the ground are targets that don't ID where they should and have been passed over by other people using discrimination. The explorer can tell still pick these up and give you clues whether they are worth digging or not.

Chris

 

[Rick(ND)]

I think everyone should read Andy Sabish new book on the Explorers and the E-Trac as it will explain much of this also. There is no easy way to just get the good stuff unless you get to know the Explorer well and go by the tones smartfind and the depth reading. Like Andy and many others including me say to learn the detector and what it is telling you by using very little disc and use your head as to what to dig and what not too. If you just want to cherry pick clad coins you can use a tight pattern and even then you will get some trash and miss some coins.

We are in the middle of a blizzard right now up here in ND with temp at a -5 and going to get as low as -20 on Tuesday so it is time to catch up on some reading and stay warm.

Rick

 

[Joe Kononchik]

Like I said I am working a lot of hour and do not have the time to go to the beach like I used too! I also understand I will be digging some junk and miss some good stuff. I live in South Florida and do not have IH penny's. The other thing we do not have are ground minerals. I just figured to play my odds! This machine can do a lot and why have the target ID on it. Nothing is prefect! I guess I will try it and can alway change to a different setup. My main concern does the size of the coil change the ID's tone or ID placement?. I have Andy's first book and plan to get his new one. Thank you,Joe

 

[Rick(ND)]

I haven't notice any difference when switching coils as far as ID, but depth meter there is a difference.
If you really want to build a pattern I would not built it a tight one and use the medium or large cursor and if some item gets troublesome targets coming though then use the small cursor to get rid of them and always check that it don't take out a good item. dont run the sensitivity too high either or you can get a lot of falsing.
Remember to turn your sensitivity to manual and down to 1 and noise cancel before you try to build a pattern so it will not be a seared pattern. On the E Trac it must have in a built in lower sensitivity when doing this as it makes some good patterns in the factory preset auto sensitivity without turning it down.
If you get a chance to get Andy's new book I highly recommend it as it has some great info in it and tips from some actual users that have great success.

 

[dewcon4414]

Ive found patterns to work very well in difficult places. Andy does have a very good beach gold pattern in his book. That said, 85% of all gold jewerly fall within the trash areas. Dont forget to reduce your sensitivity when using learn, check the target you use at different distances (you may have to use the med then the small cursor), clean up with edit especially the upper right section where coins fall. Frankly, id say in those trashy areas you are talking about it might be easier to accept jewelry, foil, and pull tabs... then just use a small cursor to reject found targets like pull tabs as you go. You should be able to reduce your sensitivity or use a low auto sensitivity, since most jewelry wont be down there deep. This would also help all that nulling on deep rejected targets. Let us know how it works out.

 

[Joe Kononchik]

n/t

 

[Chris(SoCenWI)]

And talked to my Dad, Sounds like they are shutting down half the Midwest.

We almost hit 50 here today, but has dropped 20 degrees in the last couple of hours and is headed much lower. Wind is howling.

I finished cleaning and sorting all my coins last week. Usually this means we will get a late December thaw so I can go out and mess up all my tidying up. Don't think that will be the case this year.

Chris

Oh. I saw a movie, King of California. In One scene they were using an excaliber. Thought the sounds were more Hollywood than Minelab.