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djbutch

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I have just started to work the lakes here in New Hampshire found a few wheat's and some clad but I get many hits where I am working and cant find them. I am using a new Surf Dual Field I call it the yellow banana with the stock 12 inch coil and it wants to float to the top all the time. I was just wondering if anyone has any tips for me on recovering hits in the water pinpointing is very difficult with this machine. Also where do people search in the water at a beach? I do OK on the wet and dry sand but want to get into the water but have no idea where to start.

Thanks for all the help HH Dj Butch.............
 
First off the PI is not a very good choice for a lake hunting... I suggest you get a VLF machine for freshwater hunting... iron in freshwater does not break down like it does in saltwater.. recovering targets start with a good scoop, pinpointing is very acurate with the detector you are using as the center of the coil is right over the target... When you have the coil centered over the target place a foot behind the coil and then place your scoop in front of your foot as you move your coil out of the way... I read people complaining about the coil, I have no problems with this coil and I prefer it over the weighted coil.. to each their own I guess..
 
I have just started to work the lakes here... but I get many hits where I am working and cant find them. I was just wondering if anyone has any tips for me on recovering hits in the water pinpointing is very difficult with this machine.
Pinpointing with ANY water machine is a challenge. What I do is get the coil on the target, then move my toe to the coil. I scoop in behind my toe and retrieve the target that way. This is why you need a long handle scoop, preferably one with a wooden handle which floats upright.
I dont always get my target the first time, either, so keep at it. You may also have your DISC and/or SENS set wrong and are picking up small bits of trash, lead fishing sinker bits earrings or their backs - all sorts of little things can palgue you with these troubles. Something you can try if you have a sandy bottom or is to affix smaller mesh inside your scoop to prevent these teensies from falling through.
If you have a rocky bottom, then a float basket to dump your scoop into is helpful.... make sure it has the smaller mesh also.

I suspect the largest part of your problem, however, is the fact that you are using a PI unit. They detect everything - including small bits of iron. Dont believe hype that says they discriminate well.... they don't. In fact, your Surf Dual Field doesn't even mention it. This means YOU end up reacting to and trying to recover everything that beeps. Here's why that's bad.
In fresh water, the amount of iron can be jas bad as at the salt shore. Iron is probably the most prevalent trash item in the water. Think dock fittings, fish hooks, rusted out bobby-pins, etc. You get the idea.
However, in fresh water the detector isn't affected by salt, so you can use some DISC to help knock out this iron! Well, unless you are using a PI unit.

If I were to be working fresh water, I would have a VLF unit of some sort. That way, I could enjoy the benefit of iron ID and/or DISC. You may wish to rethink this whole water detecting thing and get a Tesoro Tiger Shark (my choice), Fisher 1280-X (my second choice) for the freshwater. Or, get one of the VLF multifreq's like the BHID-300, CZ-20/21 or Excalibur - these let you hunt in both fresh or salt water.

I am using a new Surf Dual Field I call it the yellow banana with the stock 12 inch coil and it wants to float to the top all the time.
I had the same problem with the first Whites BHID, due the clamshell coil. With Whites new molded epoxy coil design, this should be alleviated. However, you still have a control box full of air and the natural bouyancy of the coil itself. This is of little matter on the beach, and up to about waist high in the water. But, go out further and it becomes problem.
About all you can do is move things around, or try adding a weight. Try the housing below the hand on the rod. I find that helps, once in the water, and I prefer it. Some people have used a sock filled with rocks or sand, attached to their rod to help neutralize the buoyancy. It looks stupid, but it supposedly works.

Also where do people search in the water at a beach? I do OK on the wet and dry sand but want to get into the water but have no idea where to start.
Remember that as a detecorist, you are a scavenger. In the truest sense of the word, you come behind others, hoping to find what they have left.
So it behooves you to follw where they go or have gone. Find the most crowded sections of beach and head straight out from there. Sit for awhile and watch the people:

Where do the most people congregate in the water?
Are there structures in the water, like slides or platforms?
Are there beach structures, like picnic shelters, lifeguard platforms or docks?
Where are the teens wrestling and tussling?
Are there moms with little ones in the shallows?

Remember, you are following the people - so watch them before you take your detector into the water.
I have found most jewelry in the depth range between my shins and my chest. The nice thing about freshwater hunting is that items remain where they fall, since there is no tidal action to move them around.
 
The Surf PI DF is a deep seeking unit but not what you want for freshwater hunting. Time to get yourself to a saltwater beach where that detector really shines. I have a PI DF and an Excal 1000 but I wouldn't want to hunt freshwater with the PI, just the Excal. Every detector has it's place where it shines, the ocean is where the PI DF is most at home.

Kewl,
 
I have a Dual Field PI and use it in fresh water. No ocean hunting to speak of in Washington State. I have five pi machines, all for fresh water. The only one I don't use is my Fisher Impulse. I have it set up for drop and fan and have not got around to doing that. I am going to sell it. I do not wade, I snorkel and dive, so that removes the problem of a buoyant coil. One thing I did is get the seven inch coil for my SandShark, so it is a little easier and more productive to work among the nails. So I am hunting lakes just as you are. Get a strong scoop as the Dual Field goes deep. One of ther best things you can do, if you can afford it, is get another machine to go with the Dual Field. I only take mine where I know there are deep targets. My Surf PI Pro goes almost as deep. Stay after it.
 
I thought I was a glutton for punishment using my PI in the dry sand... well, you got me beat ;)
 
The nice thing about PI's? They get you in good shape, what with scooping all that sand for every little thing that beeps.
There's a benefit to everything, if you look.
 
I'm 71 years old and mostly retired. Had rotator cuff surgery a year ago, right shoulder. Slowed me for a while, but now I'm back full bore. My shoulder still hurts and doesn't like packing a tank and weight belt, but too bad. I move a lot of sand. Get out two or three times a week. Not as much in the dead of winter. I have a garden trowel on a lanyard on my wrist. Some times get a signal so deep I can't fan a hole big enough to get it. I have a general rule that if I get to China and haven't found it, most likely not a coin size target. Got a fair amount of goodies over the years. I always get a chuckle at the advice not to use a pi in fresh water. Maybe I'm ruined cause that's all I ever used in the lakes here. I dig some deep silver and gold And junk with the pi. Get after it.
 
Well thanks for all the input. I also tried it on the beach wet and dry sand dint know what everyone is talking about go into the water at the beach? I have found some coins and a nice Celtic necklace at a local beach no silver. The machine does go deep think i found China but nothing i wanted to keep. How deep do you folks go into the surf or do you wait for the tide to go out need help thanks. I do have other machines I also use a mxt 300 a coin master 5000d and a spectrum's so I think i am well equipped with all kinds of coils just need some info about water or should I say surf detecting. Thanks again for all the help ....


HH DJ BUTCH...........
 
When I suggested you "rethink" the whole PI thing, I did not mean that you should never use one in fresh water. It is a metal detector, after all; it does the job it was designed for. If you're happy with it then that is what matters.

My alternate view comes from not liking to dig a lot of ferrous bits and bobby pin tails, since my time in the water is limited. I'd much prefer to have an indication of what these are and make the choice to dig or not. Sometimes I DO dig large iron signals, and once turned up a very nice Buck knife because of it. To date, after many hours in the water, NO item which signalled as ferrous has turned out to be anything BUT. That's good enough for me.

But, since one must dig everything else to ensure you get the keepers, I'd prefer the option of digging iron.
 
No I did not think you were saying that I use it at the beach that's the main reason I bought it in case it gets wet etc. I wanted to start searching the surf that's why. I just do not know where people search i hear of people with waders etc digging but was just wondering where in the water in the wave at low tide just looking for some info. I love the machine I will never have to go to the gym again all the exercise is making me feel real good better then being a couch potato .


Butch..............
 
Lakes are different from the ocean in many ways when it comes to hunting, Butch. Lakes don't have a tide so this is not a factor. Many lakes are lower this time of year due to water management or just low rainfall. What you want to do is wade out into the swimming area and run a zig zag pattern parallel to the beach in order to establish where most of the goodies are. Once you've narrowed down the prime areas then hit that area hard by gridding for targets.

Cheers,
 
thanks for the info i just think i need a little more time to get familiar with this new machine biceps are sure getting bigger.I was wondering when to hunt the beach the tide do you go where the water is do you go into the water at low tide sandbars etc?
 
I am fairly new to detecting in water but all that I read says dig it all because there might be something right below that iron or aluminum.I,m 68 years old and do need the excersize and find even the junk is exciting at times , I work with the same pi-pro all the time on land or water fresh or salt so that I can learn the machine better . I do find the coil trying to float up also but have learned how to live with it . Good luck and don't give up to soon. I also metal detect for raw gold nuggets with a VLF, but many hunt with very deep seeking PI Machines and I do mean deep. Good luck
 
Just a Check
 
go to the folllowing website, http://thegoldenolde.com/ and read about the various aspects of beach/surf hunting. Everything in one place, loaded with good info on a complicated topic.

Cheers,

BDA:cool:
 
I would not recommend discriminating in water anywhere. If you discriminate, you will miss many gold and platinum rings lost by swimmers.

I did a test with a Fisher F-70 and tried to detect a Platinum ring I had found a few weeks ago with my Tesoro sand shark at a local fresh water beach.

I first did a sweep over the ring with the F-70 with no discrimination. It hit the ring hard as nails. Reading 48 on the scale.

I then notched out iron, foil, tabs and zinc leaving nickles in. I then swung the F-70 over the platinum ring and ......NOTHING! I then tried it with a 24K ring I found a while back. Same thing. Nothing.

So if you are in the water, dig everything. You may be surprised how many supposed bad targets are really good.

Lots of Iron? Well that is part of the program. You will get that every once in a while. But in order to find metal, then you must dig metal. All metal all the time.

And don't worry about having a hard time picking up targets in the water. Keep at it and you will get really good at it. It is sort of a knack that has to be learned and then it is like riding a bike. You'll never forget. Having a good scoop for water is also a must.

I was given a little tip by an old man that was detecting in neck deep water many years ago......He said to use your foot to mark the spot. Then dig as many times as necessary to retrieve the target. If it takes more than a dozen times, rest and then hit it again. But never give up.

His advice really paid off for me over the years.
 
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