Need help on these two bullets and barb wire?!

[idugthatup]

I found these two bullets and I would like to know a little information on them. Also would like to know what year they were made if anyone can help me out. I work as a CrossFit certified trainer so I had a client of mine that's a huge gun nut so I asked him what it was and when I came back after training he said he didn't know and he took a knife and scratched the peter bullet...... I worked him out super hard that day haha

Also found what I think is barb wire but I'm not for sure either.

 

[Ant]

I guess the casings are M14 and 30-06 and the wire is from an electrical splice, need to measure the neck or read the head stamp code on the casing to give a positive ID,.

 

[Aarong81]

First one with the star is a Czech 8mm(7.9mm) with 3-stab primer crimp likely made for Israel (and perhaps other purposes) in the late 1940s and early 1950s. The 6 pointed star is the only ID'able marking. The rest of the numbers are the lot numbers. Many will have different lot numbers so they are not specific to the ID. What looks like an "o" on yours is not an o, and more clearly seen in this picture(two top casings have the same symbol).....
http://www.shedracing.net/ebay/czech_heads_big.jpg
On second thought, an "o" is one of the symbols used on that ammo(seen below), not sure which yours is.....
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/442051998_24230dee2b_o.jpg

Here is one that is an exact match, BOTTOM casing.....
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/ordinance-ammo/159951d1291320931t-late-war-german-ammo-headstamps.jpg

http://www.shedracing.net/ebay/czech8mm2.jpg http://i53.tinypic.com/k9wa3l.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x169/pbutler104/4stabs2.jpg




Second one is a Peters .30 USG 30-40 Krag.
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/749124926/10920007/img_3084.jpg_thumbnail02.jpg http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/749124926/10920007/img_3087.jpg_thumbnail01.jpg

Nice finds, if you save a lot of shells you should label them and make a display. I have started a nice collection of shotgun shell casings including 3 FULL BRASS casings from the 1800's.

 

[Aarong81]

This picture shows quite a few casings all in 8mm and all German and Czech military surplus. There are many more variations of this same ammo and this is a good example of numbers on headstamps not having anything to do with the ID of the ammo. This seems to be very ridiculous to me, I've had some ammo I couldn't ID without comparing to other known ammo. Some are very similar but extremely dangerous if you fire the wrong caliber/casing through your gun.
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/ordinance-ammo/159951d1291320931t-late-war-german-ammo-headstamps.jpg

 

[idugthatup]

Hmmm my question is what was it doing in kansas lol

 

[Aarong81]

Sorry, I forgot the date for the Peters .30-40 USG Krag shell. CIRCA 1914.
Note: It is labelled Peters .30-40-220 US Army Ammo on the box but the headstamp does not say USA on it.
http://photos.joesalter.com/20425/20425-01.jpg http://photos.joesalter.com/20425/20425-02.jpg
http://photos.joesalter.com/20425/20425-03.jpg http://photos.joesalter.com/20425/20425-05.jpg
http://photos.joesalter.com/20425/20425-07.jpg

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=20425

 

[Aarong81]

Hmmm my question is what was it doing in kansas lol

I don't know how common it was very long ago but today it is very common to buy foreign military surplus ammo for cheap shooting(almost always FMJ though). Anything bought locally made or non-military surplus is much more expensive.

 

[idugthatup]

Hmm this was in middle of town at a park where the old school was and it was about 6 inches in the ground so I doubt its recent. The peters bullet was a faint ghost signal and it was super deep.

 

[Ant]

They most likely came from a military ceremony, it may have been a training area, or an old rural area, we find stuff like that at modern yards, schools, packs, etc.
If you measure the opening we can tell you what caliber they are.

 

[Ant]

I first looked and responded to this thread using my cell phone. I can tell on my PC that the Peters case is a 30-06. I don't collet cases but I sure shoot a lot.

 

[Ant]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention when we were kids we carried stuff like that in our pockets, sometimes we lost them. I even find modern bullets on today's playgrounds.

 

[Aarong81]

its not a 30.06, its a Peters .30-40 USG

His casing.....
http://s10.postimg.org/4tq8nx84p/peter1.jpg


what it looks like if not scratched up...
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/749124926/10920007/img_3087.jpg_thumbnail01.jpg

 

[Ant]

You are right Aarong you
nailed the Peters case.