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Need a tutor for my New M6

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I have detected for 35 years and have used many detectors. I think I have tried 4 different in the last 6 months. I just got a new M6 and I think I'm going to like it but have one thing that is bothering me... How can I get away from IRON sounding and reading like 1 cent-dime? It seems like it wants to pick up allot of iron not all of it but larger deep stuff. I haven't got too many hours on it yet but was wondering if there is a secret I should be aware of? I wasn't quite as bad after cranking up the disc, but then loose nickles and gold. does anyone have suggestions or is this something I need to learn on my own? Or do I just have to deal with the large deep iron?
Oh, I was using a new 5" Excellerator coil which seems to be real hot.
Thanks,
Bill
 
Are you running it with the trigger forward? It should give a very low tone. I have a M6 it is hot on coins. I hunted ground I have been over with a ML SE and found coils everywhere left behind by the SE. The SE is hot on pennies. The M6 started picking out nickles, dimes and quarters. I found very few pennies picked them up with the SE. I don't know for sure but I think there may be a dead zone near the coil for anything but pennies on the SE. I don't have a lot of experience with the M6 but really like it. Watch for the blocks (page 8 & 9 in the manual) they will help a lot. The M6 gives a lot of info on a target. Once you get to know what to look and listen for you should have few problems.
 
Thanks for the reply. Yes I have been running with the trigger forward(7 tone). That was what bothered me was that I was getting a high tone on the large deep iron. Now after I would dig it, it ID'd properly. Thought maybe I was misunderstanding something.
I'll keep plugging away. I like to hunt old house sights which are now plowed and corn fields. You do find allot of iron in these spots but the Old XL Pro tells me when its iron, just was surprised the M6 wasn't doing as well. It ID's properly part of the time but not all of the time?????
Thanks,
Bill
 
Hi Bill,

I'm curious about what you saw with that coil and the iron. Is it only with the small DD and what type of iron objects were the culprits? If you had all iron accepted (all 7 tones) was there any hint at all of iron mixed in with the good signal?

Tom
 
On rusty iron you will get a good beep off the edge of the object. First pinpoint the target. Then put the center of the coil directly over that spot. Then sweep very fast no more than 2 inches each way. If you get a broken tone, or iron tone or no tone depending on your disc settings then it's most likely rust iron or junk. If you get a good repeatable good target tone then dig. It's good to use this method on all your targets anyway. This works for all brands of detectors. Give it a try and post back.
 
Hi Tom,
First of all thanks for the reply. I was using the small coil mainly due to the fact I was hunting a corn field and the row stubble left from last years crop is more difficult with the factory coil. It's an old country school site and they must have just broke up the old school desks when they tore down the school in the 40's lots of IRON desk parts. After rereading the manual, pg 13, maybe I should have ran the trac toggle in lock mode. Also I haven't got in the habit of watching the blocks, I was just using audio and ID. I'm sure with a little practise I will get it figured out and maybe it is just the fact there was so many iron pieces in the field.
I had been there before with the XL Pro and of 8 coins found 5 were IH's and one was a barber dime the other two were old wheaties. I did find a 1914 wheatie with the M6.
As far as mixed signal I rechecked the holes after digging the iron and no signal.

Bill
 
Thanks Kenny, I'll give it a try. That's what I was looking for I think, something to make the audio break up.

Bill
 
Bill,

Sounds like a good site! Too bad about the broken up desks! Keep with it and let us know how you get on with the M6. I never used the XL Pro in fields, plowed or otherwise. I know Randy had good luck with his in the cornfields.

My best 2 school sites haven't been plowed in years. In fact one never has been as it has a small home on it. The other is a hayfield and I have tried to get the farmer to plow it. It might help if I volunteered to pick all the rocks plowing would turn up! :lol:

Randy, if you read this, we finally got some good rains. I will be hitting those freshly plowed fields soon. Will see what that 12.5"er is capable of!

Have a good one all
Tom
 
Hi Bill, I've been running into the same problem!! What Kenny is referring to, is what MINELAB Sovereign USERS call the "Sovereign Wiggle." But, I did not know that you could use it to ID Alot of IRON Targets!! I've used it on with my EXCALS' and my SOV-GT, and it works at helping to ID Coins on those detectors. But, I did not know that it would work at IDing IRON or trash with other detectors. I HOPE Kenny is Right, and if he is, I just learned a VERY VALUABLE LESSON!! I'M going to try that method VERY SOON!! Best of LUCK, hh,
Les.
 
Les, I had a Soverign Gt so am aware of the wiggle. I took the M6 out yesterday and LOCKED the tracking instead of auto and by crossing targets in several directions did make the iron ID correctly. What Kenny said does work but I was doing more than a wiggle I was actually sweeping short quick sweeps and it would take the high ID numbers out.
Give it a try.
Bill
 
Bill,

I have not used the M6 but based on what you are saying it sounds like Whites made a few changes in the way it sees targets compared to the MXT.

With the MXT the most accurate TID is when the target is swept well centered. It sounds like the M6 is locking on to the strongest part of the signal during a normal sweep. If that is the case then the quick short sweep "defeats" the lock on and shows the target for what it really is. Does that sound right to you?

Tom
 
Yes very short sweeps directly over the center. The sweeps only being maybe 2 inches total and fast.
 
MANY THANKS Guys for the quick response! I'll give the Sov-Wiggle a try on the M-6 for checking possible Coin Iding IRON Targets. HH, Les
 
Tom,
Digger may have explained it somewhat in a post on the Xterra Forum. Here is a part of his post. You need to sort out some of the differences in the machines but his theory may be the answer.
Hope he don't mind that I copied his post. Ha!
Bill


Re: Xterra 70 question
Posted by: Digger
Date: May 18, 07:06PM


Elton, Deep rusty iron will give us all; a false hope for high conductive silver. But not usually on notch segments 42 and 44. I would suggest you lower the sensitivity a bit, and make sure your GB is set correctly. I like to run mine a bit on the positive side, except in areas like you describe. Then I run it a bit on the negative side.
(higher tone)

I hunt in all metal / 4-tone most of the time. And by crossing over those high pitched targets from multiple directions, I can hear the low tone. I don't know that my theory is completely correct. But let me explain why I think iron hits at the extreme end of the conductive scale. Most of us think of discrimination as being linear. In other words, if you drew a straight horizontal line, the far left end would represent the most ferrous of targets and the far right would represent the most conductive. For the sake of discussion, lets call the left end a piece of old rusty iron and the right end a silver dollar. Where ever you set a variable discriminator within this line, everything to the left of that is rejected. And, everything to the right is accepted. But the X-Terra has notches!! So, divide that line into 18 different segments and you can set the detector to either accept or reject any of them. That is how most of us think of it. And that is how it is drawn in our opertors manuals. But I don't think of discrimination as being linear. I think of it as being circular. Kind of like a compass. On a compass, what degree is straight north? 360 or 0? Actually, it is both. On a compass, 0 = 360. And, with that in mind, 359 is adjacent to 0. Or, 1 is adjacent to 360. Follow me so far? Here is my point. I believe on the X-Terra 70, the notch segment -8 is adjacent to both -6 and +48. If a piece of iron registers -8 on the X-70, it is just a cat's whisker from being either a -6 or a +48. Maybe both! And, if you get a piece of iron trash that is fairly large, it will overlap into +46, +48 and -8. Maybe even bounce into -6.

What does all that mean? To me it means I have to relay more on my ears than on the TID. And that is why I have learned to hunt old farm sites in the all metal mode with 4 tones. All metal with 4 tones allows me to listen for the low tone of iron. I've gotten so I don't even hear that low tone by itself anymore. When I hear the medium low, medium high or high tone, I confirm the target with an Xing motion. And I look for the 3 indicators of consistency. If they are not there, I go on. Probably 90$ of the time (on iron) I will get at least a splash of low tone mixed in with the high tone. That alone is enough for me to move on to the next target. When I do check with the TID, I will find it bouncing between the lowest negative and the highest positive numbers. And again, I go on to the next target. About the only ones that fool me anymore are those nasty old harness rings. If it is round and hollow in the middle, it fools me and about every detector I ever used.

Hope this helps. HH Randy
 
Not sure on the M6, but on the MXT I know if you are going to be going over a target several time you better lock the tracking or you will track out the target or even change the ID. What I been doing is running the track on and when I get iffy signal I will mark the target, ground balance and lock it and go back to the target i want to check out. Works good for me and then switch back to track after you check out the target.
 
Rick,
That would work, but based on my moderate ground mineralization here, what would be wrong with after balancing just fliping it to lock and running tha lock on all of the time. Hope theat work or otherwise I'm leaving good targets I guess.
Bill
 
I personally think that's the best way to run the GB. I just think that's one less thing for the processors to digest.
 
I like the tracking so I have max performance all the time and only locking it on those deeper signals I want to check out. Many I feel just locks it after ground balance and do fine too. I just mention it so those that do use tracking and want to go over a weaker signal to see if it is good or not to lock it or it will track out a good signal.
 
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