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NASA TOM WROTE THIS

Low-Boy/LCPM

Active member
I have been running various F-75 Proto's for several months now.... and I must say there is legitimate justification as to why I DID NOT report any initial findings with early generation Proto's.... as the final product differs dramatically from the original Proto, in respect to operating characteristics.

In a nut-shell:

* F-75 most closely resembles T-Square (T-2), but with much more power/Sens.

* F-75 is approx. 1.5" deeper on a U.S. dime vs. T-2.

* T-2 is High Resolution Iron Discrimination (Disc of: 00 - 40).

* F-75 is High Resolution Aluminum Discrimination (Iron Disc is 00 - 15).

* F-75 has up to 300% greater sensitivity to small gold (vs. T-2).

* F-75 has tremendous gain on small gold when Disc is reduced to '0'.

* F-75 incorporates CZ-3D "old coins" Specs, 4-Tone, VCO pinpoint, nickel hi-tone. ---Nickel window is slightly widened.... and 'old generation' coins audibly report as 3rd-highest tone in the 4-tone mode. (( Sounds similar to the "relic" tone on CZ-70 )). All 4 tones similar to CZ-70. (Comfort zone not infringed).

* F-75 & T-2 has microprocessor (identical - audible) extremely enhanced adjacent target separation characteristics..... as fast as...and possibly faster then human brain comprehension.

* F-75 & T-2 coil electromagnetic footprint is identical. ( Tightest DD footprint in the industry ).

* F-75 vs. T-2 (in 2, 3 & 4 tone modes) Identical target separation (in iron or alum trash).... except F-75 has more sensitivity,,,,giving better audible resolution on non-Fe targets (especially deeper targets).

* F-75 VDI on Cu dime = '72' and on Ag dime = '74'. (High Resolution Aluminum Discrimination can also be viewed upon as: High Resolution Coins Discrimination).

* F-75 is a noisy machine due to extreme levels of Sensitivity capabilities ....and,,,, to a beginner/newbie, it may be quite difficult to understand its language. T-2 users will have zero problems - seemless transition. Remember; In most cases the 'chatter' you hear with the T-2/F-75 (in actuality) is not 'chatter'.... rather, it is tiny (or deep) pieces of metal. And also remember (especially w/F-75) it allows the operator to "overdrive" the Sensitivity because there are some physical areas where this is do'able (and prefered).

* F-75 has slightly less electrical/electrostatic interference problems vs. T-2 & Coin$trike.

* T-2 turned out to be a very serious 'relic' hunter (not intensionally). F-75 was intended/targeted to be more of a 'coins' hunter; however, in reality, I have verified it is a 'coins' hunter (more so then T-2) and a premium 'relic' hunter.

* Be careful; 'masked and/or deep coins' will give low 'Confidence' LCD readings.

* Moderately Fe-masked targets are mostly undetectable to other detectors, whereas F-75 will report the non-ferrous target in co-locate with iron. In these cases, do not rely on VDI numbers.... as the F-75 will homogenate/mix...and usually "up-average" the VDI numeric reading. Most places hunted, masking is severe.

* F-75 has identical depth (with proper ID) capabilities to CZ (w/8" coil) in Florida inert soil.

* F-75 has nearly identical depth (with proper ID) capabilities to CZ in Georgia red laterite. (Some areas the Fe3O4 (magnetite) LCD bar-graph easily pegged w/T-2 & F-75).

* Of noteworthy interest; T-2 & F-75 are single Freq units.... and parallel the multi-freq CZ in the department of depth.

* F-75 not indended as a wet-salt beach unit; however, performance is okay.

* Dry sand performance is tremendous if config'd properly.

* CZ & F-75 on coin-sized targets (in most cases) have nearly identical depth capabilities and overall performance (in most parts of the country); HOWEVER, in medium-light, medium, medium-heavy & heavy trash areas the F-75 is far superior in adjacent target separation capabilities. Once again; "depth" vs. "EFFECTIVE depth" (See Fisher Intelligence - 6th edition for expanded explanation).

* In clear/trash-free fields in Georgia severe red lateritic dirt, Minelab Explorer is superior to F-75/CZ/T-2. In same dirt, ...in medium-low, medium, medium-high & high trash areas the F-75 (& T-2) are far superior to all others (including Minelab & CZ). Microprocessor of Minelab is unacceptably slow. Keep in mind; approx 80% of the areas we hunt are medium-low (and higher) trash areas. Where people cohabit the most..... is where most finds will be located.

* In a Fe trashy area, hunting behind a CZ/Explorer..... the F-75 will give appearance the area may have never been hunted.

On a personal note: Hunted an old home-site in Georgia. Heavily nail infested. Explorer was quiet. Excessively quiet. Audio threshold was constantly nulled (due to Fe nail infestation dirt). CZ was 'chattery'. Any/All CZ & Explorer performance were 'shut-down' due to severe handicap in nails. F-75 was 'noisy' but found MANY non-ferrous targets that CZ & Exp could not see (head-to-head verified/validated). F-75 could see non-Fe targets to depths of approx 3"...where as CZ & Exp could only see surface targets semi-reliably. ---- Hunted several other areas with similar performance. ...Explorer is too slow to 'reset' between adjacent targets.

* Deliberately run the F-75 a bit noisy.

* Optional coils to follow. Be patient.

One other thing I need to say;

* F-75 can be set up to run quiet/stable/non-"chattery". ( I always have the tendency to push things to max limits ).

Thomas J. Dankowski
 
The dirt I have to contend with is very similar to the Georgia red laterite except we have a lot of iron ore mixed in and it's tough on every detector I use here.
Would love to know what settings and coil selections he used on all of the units he tested to get his results.
I know that if ANY discrimination is used on the Explorer here ... I can smoke a cigarette between nulls on most of my favorite sites :smoke: That's the main reason I hunt with ZERO disc on all of my detectors ( especially when relic hunting) then the Explorer doesn't null at all, it just reports, but it's way to much to listen to for most folks.
I plan on running my CZ70, Explorer SE and the F75 with zero discrimination with as close to comparable coils sizes possible and see how they stack up against each other. I doubt there will be much difference but it should be interesting.
His explanation of NOISE really being small metal in the ground holds some truth but RF interference, over powering a site with to much gain etc. also comes into play IMO.

Thanks for sharing the post.
 
I will run 0 dis. If you don't run 0 dis. in the iron you will be digging yourself to death. You got to hear it all when in the trash and the iron to even try and make a intelligent decision on wheather to dig or not to dig. Anyway just going to wait till I get it in my hands to test out. I hope I am over in Fl. cause I got one of the worst beaches to test the F75 out on anybody can hunt on. It is so bad that my CZ70,CZ6A and CZ20 won't even G/B. You got to just run it in Salt and turn G/B to 10 and get on with it. Can still pull targets 10+"s with them even in the bad wet salt sand beach there. Only machines that will hunt there are CZ'S and Minelabs. I had My CZ6A, CZ70 and CZ20 cranked up years ago and they is hotter then a $2.00 pistol. Anyway we will see. I am really looking for a machine that will make me get rid of a bunch of the machines I already have. So far I have not found one. Later HH :D: :D: Jerry aka Tinfoil.
 
I just talked with him. It is supposed to rain the rest of the week though. We got to get over there before that guy plows the fields. I will make it a point to go though. Sounds good . HH Jerry aka Tinfoil.
 
We'll keep an eye on the weather and just go for it as soon as they're huntable. It's only a hour drive for Ron but 5 for me so I want to make SURE we can hunt.
:)

Mike
 
hunter. I believe it has been posted as such a few times. :shrug:

Now on the other side of the coin, Bill Ladd has had good luck operating the F75 on the wet salt sand. Will it opperate like a CZ, I doubt it, but it does opperate there. If anyone is looking for it to be a super beach hunter on bad beach's, that's not going to happen. :cry:

I headed to the beach with a F75 this weekend, but the ocean was frozen. Color me gone, I'm a fair weather hunter. :)

Later
Bill
 
How did he figure the F75 has 300% greater sensitivity to small gold then the T2? That would also mean its 300% greater sensitivity to beaver tails, foil and some pulltabs?
 
on a real bad black sand beach in another state it may not work as well...who knows? It says right in the manual it was not designed as a beach unit, but that you can manual balance to the salt. But some trial & error with the different "processes" & sensitivity around 60 I was able to get it to run pretty good in disc. The "bc" process seemed like a good way to go for my beaches, & I came away with a pocketful of clad...
HH,
Bill
 
Do great in the dry sand! I bet it will find the tiny gold that most the multifrequency machines can't see. The little gold is one of those "unexplored" parts of beach hunting.... could be interesting!

hh'n

captain:pulltab:
 
I think when I come over there I will bring it with some other ones. Any one you want me to bring and try let me know. You know what I got. I hope I get my SE back from the factory before we go though. I am like you I want to see that F75 out there with us. I think between the three of us we can really ring that F75 out, don't you think???? HH :D: :D: Later Bud Jerry aka Tinfoil
 
Anyway you can bet I will find out one way or the other. I never minded hunting small targets at the beach. That is where all the good stuff is anyway in the pull tab and tin foil range. That is what I love to hunt anyway. Yes I have a lot of patience. :D: :D: HH Jerry aka Tinfoil.
 
They do look awkward, but they feel great, very balanced. Love how light the T2 is.

As far as service I have had good luck with the so far. I also know a few others that havent had any issues.

Maybe they are just busy with this new release.
 
Myself and Nasa Tom have said often how much time was placed into getting it ergonomically perfect. I have never held a more brilliantly balanced detector. Don't let the strange shape of the coil fool you. Pick one up someday & feel it. When I brought mine to the last club seminar I did, folks couldn't believe it. Do enjoy your CZ's they are great detectors, but the F75 "feel" is much better & easily the best balanced Fisher of all time...(once held by the 1266x).
As far as the service, if you have been trying the old FRL web site that was run out of Los Banos, that's no longer the way to go. Call First Texas directly...
HH,
Bill
 
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