I am having problems with my etrac in a civil war camp i recently found. The camp is littered with nails and other iron. I am running my etrac in TTF/manual sens around 26-28 and sweeping slow.Lets say for example their are 2 square nails a foot apart,i can go over one of em and it doesnt sound good but once i reach the other one it gives a good audio tone but its like its being interfered with due to the other square nail being so close thus causing a good audio tone. I turn the coil 90 degrees and its still acting like the other nail is causing a good signal.....is this what is refered to as falsing? Any suggestions? I actually brought my at pro this morning to compare and it doesnt have this problem at all. I dug 2 minie balls yesterday with the etrac,dug one this morning and it was an iffy signal due to all the square nails with the etrac and switched to my at pro and dug 5 and all were very solid signals......what is going on here?? I can not figure it out. Any help/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
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Nails,nails,nails......
- Thread starter kmyer74
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What disc pattern are you using? I've been forming my own pattern here lately for relic hunting and have learned something in regards to nails, iron, and false signals. I have been hunting this home site with some of the coin patterns I've downloaded and have been digging a lot of empty holes. I will get a good tone and ID and then cut a plug and the signal disappear. I got so frustrated I bought a Sunray probe because of it. Well now I can stick the probe in the hole...still nothing. Dig deeper and expand the hole...nothing.
But I notice when I relic hunt I never have that problem...can always locate the target. Well I went back to the home site the other day and selected Andy's coin program and got a good signal and dug...signal disappeared on me. So I got an idea and put it in my relic pattern and got a signal again...only not where I dug. It was a nail signal and off to the side of my hole. Hmmm. I put it back in Andy's coin pattern and ran it over the now known location of the nail and got a null but on the tail end near my hole I would get a coin signal tone. A little bit later I repeated this and same results...my relic pattern allowed me to hear the nail double blip and it show in the 30s on the ferrous side but running coin program had that blanked out but it would hit in the 40s on conductive side on the ends of the nail....thus fooling me into digging it. So I hunted a small section using my relic pattern and the whole yard was iron infested but now I could hear everything. Hunting slow I was able to pull two 1940s Wheaties out of that iron yard and learned the behavior of iron on the eTrac as well.
My relic pattern is nothing more than an open iron mask screen. I don't dig anything that reads in the 33-35 range on ferrous side and dig everything else. I've actually dug some very deep minie balls that dipped down to the upper 20s and low 30s on ferrous side...so basically I dig everything that's not iron by running the machine that way. I don't like TTF though...run mine two tone but conductive tone instead of ferrous. I haven't dug a nail running it this way in quite a long time...can hear them double blip and see the id in the 35 range ferrous.
But I notice when I relic hunt I never have that problem...can always locate the target. Well I went back to the home site the other day and selected Andy's coin program and got a good signal and dug...signal disappeared on me. So I got an idea and put it in my relic pattern and got a signal again...only not where I dug. It was a nail signal and off to the side of my hole. Hmmm. I put it back in Andy's coin pattern and ran it over the now known location of the nail and got a null but on the tail end near my hole I would get a coin signal tone. A little bit later I repeated this and same results...my relic pattern allowed me to hear the nail double blip and it show in the 30s on the ferrous side but running coin program had that blanked out but it would hit in the 40s on conductive side on the ends of the nail....thus fooling me into digging it. So I hunted a small section using my relic pattern and the whole yard was iron infested but now I could hear everything. Hunting slow I was able to pull two 1940s Wheaties out of that iron yard and learned the behavior of iron on the eTrac as well.
My relic pattern is nothing more than an open iron mask screen. I don't dig anything that reads in the 33-35 range on ferrous side and dig everything else. I've actually dug some very deep minie balls that dipped down to the upper 20s and low 30s on ferrous side...so basically I dig everything that's not iron by running the machine that way. I don't like TTF though...run mine two tone but conductive tone instead of ferrous. I haven't dug a nail running it this way in quite a long time...can hear them double blip and see the id in the 35 range ferrous.
I use the relic mode but I reject 1 through 40. This keeps the iron wrap around from being a problem and also the machine runs a lot quieter. I live in Roane county so the soil is about the same. Try rejecting the top left 1 through 40 won't take but a second and I think it will help you. HH 
The standard relic pattern in the eTrac will cause the same problem as the coin discrimination patterns that I was describing...it's way too much discrimination for relic hunting war relics in my opinion. He which uses discrimination relic hunting is he who makes me happy if I ever hunt that site after them 
I've got 4 plates and a few hundred bullets that are testimony to that...all from heavily hunted sites in VA and TN.
I hunt in the Athens, Tn area. Headed off right now to knock on some doors for new sites.
If you don't have Andy's book on the eTrac I highly recommend it. If you do have it, head to the chapters on TTF and the eTrac and read about where it really benefits to be used and how. I think most people find it unveiling finds in iron not because of the tone difference but because those implementing it are using it with little to zero disc pattern...thus actually hearing both iron and non iron and not just nulling it out via discrimination patterns. That home site I spoke about...I've hunted it hours on end with the T2 SE with every available coil made for it...dug a bunch of coins there with it. I then hunted it with an AT Pro and got another coin or two...and then with a beep/dig Tesoro and the eTrac with a few coils (stock, 8" Sunray, 10x12 SEF) and patterns that I would download. To say its been dug hard and hammered is an understatement. Then to go back and hunt it with my "relic pattern" and dig two shallow 1940s wheats from about 4" deep in that iron with 11" Pro coil...well that shows a good example of where disc leaves stuff in the ground for the next person.
I've got 4 plates and a few hundred bullets that are testimony to that...all from heavily hunted sites in VA and TN. I hunt in the Athens, Tn area. Headed off right now to knock on some doors for new sites.
If you don't have Andy's book on the eTrac I highly recommend it. If you do have it, head to the chapters on TTF and the eTrac and read about where it really benefits to be used and how. I think most people find it unveiling finds in iron not because of the tone difference but because those implementing it are using it with little to zero disc pattern...thus actually hearing both iron and non iron and not just nulling it out via discrimination patterns. That home site I spoke about...I've hunted it hours on end with the T2 SE with every available coil made for it...dug a bunch of coins there with it. I then hunted it with an AT Pro and got another coin or two...and then with a beep/dig Tesoro and the eTrac with a few coils (stock, 8" Sunray, 10x12 SEF) and patterns that I would download. To say its been dug hard and hammered is an understatement. Then to go back and hunt it with my "relic pattern" and dig two shallow 1940s wheats from about 4" deep in that iron with 11" Pro coil...well that shows a good example of where disc leaves stuff in the ground for the next person.
Queston for Daniel Tn. Observing, you are mostly a relic hunter. I hunt many old farms/homesteads long gone now. Im just now getting into TTF and do find your observations right on the mark. Maybe its because,Ive never used a detector with a notch type system(all have been dials and thus I always dialed just enough disc to knock out a small nail) so,hearing more of whats going on tends to help me, plus when I do get what I think is a false off of iron, I can still rework that iron from another angle listening first and observing the numbers second.
I, to, at first, had a tough time with all the high tones using conductive multitone. Its better now, experience is education.
Back to my question, Have you ever used TTF at an old house site that is located in a more modern envronment,thus full of modern trash??
Two tone conductive, may give that a shot.
HH,
John
I, to, at first, had a tough time with all the high tones using conductive multitone. Its better now, experience is education.
Back to my question, Have you ever used TTF at an old house site that is located in a more modern envronment,thus full of modern trash??
Two tone conductive, may give that a shot.
HH,
John
I actually did a little test tonight because earlier today i was detecting and got a solid iron signal and decided to dig just to see what it was and i pulled out a square nail,swept back over the hole and got a good signal and about 3 inches below where i pulled the nail out was a .58 drop......so,i got home and with no discrimintaion i put a square nail and a .58 in my hand with the nail being closer to the coil(like the nail would of been on top of the .58 in the ground and both about 4 inches) and to my surprise all i got was an iron signal,it never even seen the .58.......then i switched to were the .58 is closer to the coil and the nail behind it and it hit the .58 instantly.............i then put em side by side and got an iron signal that i would normally never dig..i also tried various buttons just like i did the .58 and got the same results...what is going on here? is this normal? i also tried disciminating the iron and it would just null out as i went over the .58 and nail....this all may be normal but it just seems odd that a $1,500 detector cant pick up a .58 or a brass button under or next to a square nail. I am confused
Kymer just keep practicing until you get the right combination because you have a good machine. My son and I have been finding gardner and other bulletts in the red clay over 10 inchs buttons will knock your ears off so just keep going and don't lose faith in your E-Trac. HH
This is absolutely normal, dont worry and make more test to understand how detectors work, compare with other detectors too.kmyer74 said:I actually did a little test tonight because earlier today i was detecting and got a solid iron signal and decided to dig just to see what it was and i pulled out a square nail,swept back over the hole and got a good signal and about 3 inches below where i pulled the nail out was a .58 drop......so,i got home and with no discrimintaion i put a square nail and a .58 in my hand with the nail being closer to the coil(like the nail would of been on top of the .58 in the ground and both about 4 inches) and to my surprise all i got was an iron signal,it never even seen the .58.......then i switched to were the .58 is closer to the coil and the nail behind it and it hit the .58 instantly.............i then put em side by side and got an iron signal that i would normally never dig..i also tried various buttons just like i did the .58 and got the same results...what is going on here? is this normal? i also tried disciminating the iron and it would just null out as i went over the .58 and nail....this all may be normal but it just seems odd that a $1,500 detector cant pick up a .58 or a brass button under or next to a square nail. I am confused