Nailing Nickels, Gold rings out of sea of pull tabs, now that's what many of us need.

[Dancer]

How does the Kruzer, the Nox, the Deus handle this age old problem? Hey, I can understand the great value of sniffing out good targets underneath rusty iron. But the rest of us, tabs are the enemy. Now if I have missed this test I apologise.
Not knocking anyone's game at all. But a machine that can absolutely distinguish between tabs , and gold well that's the machine that would fly off the shelves. I hunt 4 machines. My most accurate for nickels is the At Pro with 5x8 coil. Not pumping the Pro, it's just the most accurate that I, have. Some tabs are worse than others. I find (in the Wild) that a Beaver tail tab without the tail will kill me every time. Regular tabs that are bent, dead on nickel. The number one fakeout, the gold colored tab. Especially while shaking out a scoop, or sticking out of a plug. So be interesting how these machines handle this load problem.
Land / wet sand salt water.

 

[doc holiday232]

Great question---can't wait for the feedback.

 

[cal]

I hunt dry land coins and rings so no water for me. My experience is you need a machine that you can tell the difference between square tabs and nickles a high percentage of time. I have had 2, the minelab 705 and the Teknetics Patriot. I'm sure there are others. A high percentage of gold rings and rings in general are in the foil range. For looking at the odds on where gold rings fall look at Gerrys detectors on ring hunting on youtube. While I didn't use his program it was educational. I know I miss some rings, but I dig very few square tabs and ring tabs for that matter. Nickles range from 30 to 33 with 31 to 32 norm. If 34 flashes not a nickle.

 

[Dancer]

I hunt dry land coins and rings so no water for me. My experience is you need a machine that you can tell the difference between square tabs and nickles a high percentage of time. I have had 2, the minelab 705 and the Teknetics Patriot. I'm sure there are others. A high percentage of gold rings and rings in general are in the foil range. For looking at the odds on where gold rings fall look at Gerrys detectors on ring hunting on youtube. While I didn't use his program it was educational. I know I miss some rings, but I dig very few square tabs and ring tabs for that matter. Nickles range from 30 to 33 with 31 to 32 norm. If 34 flashes not a nickle.

Pretty interesting info on your post cal. On my machine a hard 52 is 95% or better a nickel or if lucky a ring. If over 52 , rarely anything good. Under to 49 a good chance of something good. 48 and below foil means foil. Now to any machines defence is the site it's hunting. Times have changed in my area. When I started 2002, almost every site had it all clad/rings. Now due mostly to credit cards, tats, cell phones, most public sites in my area fail to replenish. Not to mention competition being smarter with better machines. Like the Chief said " Once they're were many, Now there are few."

 

[Tom_in_CA]

How does the Kruzer, the Nox, the Deus handle this age old problem? .....

They handle it the same way all other metal detector's discriminator circuits do: Which is to treat alloyed gold and aluminum as sharing the same conductive ranges. If anyone comes on and tries to tell you that it's possible to tell gold and aluminum apart by sounds and tones (ie.: gold "sounds different"), here's the quickest way to solve that problem: Just invite them out to the nearest blighted inner city park. Turn them loose, and see what ratio of gold to aluminum they get. You will see that they do no better than random odds. "Notching" at best. And you will quickly hear the sound of crickets for their claims.

Until a detector is invented that tells actual composition, rather than conductivity, this is what we're stuck with.

If gold rings are your agenda, the solution is not "dig pulltabs and foil till your arms fall off". Instead, the solution is: "location location location". Don't go to junky old parks (those are for silver coins. Not trying to be a hero and strip-mine the foil). Instead, go to swim beaches. Or if you have no lakes or ocean near you , then choose better more conducive land sites. Like soccer fields, baseball fields, mud wrestle or mineral spring bath areas. Sand volley ball courts or sand PT fields. Etc... And avoid the places that are "eat and drink" picnicking type turf. Because the moment you add: "Eat , drink, and BBQ", is the moment you add foil (for the foodwrap), tabs (for the drinks), and aluminum nuggets (from people pitching their aluminum cans and foil into the BBQ fires).

 

[UtahRich]

How does the Kruzer, the Nox, the Deus handle this age old problem? Hey, I can understand the great value of sniffing out good targets underneath rusty iron. But the rest of us, tabs are the enemy. Now if I have missed this test I apologise.
Not knocking anyone's game at all. But a machine that can absolutely distinguish between tabs , and gold well that's the machine that would fly off the shelves. I hunt 4 machines. My most accurate for nickels is the At Pro with 5x8 coil. Not pumping the Pro, it's just the most accurate that I, have. Some tabs are worse than others. I find (in the Wild) that a Beaver tail tab without the tail will kill me every time. Regular tabs that are bent, dead on nickel. The number one fakeout, the gold colored tab. Especially while shaking out a scoop, or sticking out of a plug. So be interesting how these machines handle this load problem.

Land / wet sand salt water.

Tom nailed it above. Instead, the solution is: "location location location" Pick a better site.


Rich

 

[Dancer]

How does the Kruzer, the Nox, the Deus handle this age old problem? Hey, I can understand the great value of sniffing out good targets underneath rusty iron. But the rest of us, tabs are the enemy. Now if I have missed this test I apologise.
Not knocking anyone's game at all. But a machine that can absolutely distinguish between tabs , and gold well that's the machine that would fly off the shelves. I hunt 4 machines. My most accurate for nickels is the At Pro with 5x8 coil. Not pumping the Pro, it's just the most accurate that I, have. Some tabs are worse than others. I find (in the Wild) that a Beaver tail tab without the tail will kill me every time. Regular tabs that are bent, dead on nickel. The number one fakeout, the gold colored tab. Especially while shaking out a scoop, or sticking out of a plug. So be interesting how these machines handle this load problem.

Land / wet sand salt water.

Tom nailed it above. Instead, the solution is: "location location location" Pick a better site.


Rich

So , "Pick a better site." So that's the answer. Why doesn't that answer apply to the other fields of detecting ? Hot rocks, black sand, rusty iron for example. Strides have been made in all these. But the park hunter who sifts threw alum. trash. Best ,get a smaller coil. In the end, people are saddled to hunt what's available where they live. Where I live, just can't grab a machine and hunt Civil War relics. (Wish I could) So just saying. Pick a better site, like pack up and move ? Oh, and many pieces of Treasure (all kinds) continue to be plucked from the trashest areas. Be it rusty iron or aluminum.

 

[UtahRich]

Rich

So , "Pick a better site." So that's the answer. Why doesn't that answer apply to the other fields of detecting ? Hot rocks, black sand, rusty iron for example. Strides have been made in all these. But the park hunter who sifts threw alum. trash. Best ,get a smaller coil. In the end, people are saddled to hunt what's available where they live. Where I live, just can't grab a machine and hunt Civil War relics. (Wish I could) So just saying. Pick a better site, like pack up and move ? Oh, and many pieces of Treasure (all kinds) continue to be plucked from the trashest areas. Be it rusty iron or aluminum.

Dancer,

You asked a question and one of the most successful detectorists I know of on ANY FORUM replies and you mock his answer.

You are welcome to hunt anywhere you please for whatever you wish with whatever detector you want. If you feel personally challenged to take on your local park that is overflowing with aluminum trash in search of gold hidden amongst it, knock yourself out. Tom’s advice is solid and I’ve taken it myself in order maximize my success. And it doesn’t just apply to trashed out parks, it applied to all aspects of detecting.

Hunt smart.

Rich -

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... Pick a better site, like pack up and move ? ....

Dancer, while it's true that swim beaches have the better ratios of gold jewelry, yet that doesn't have to be ocean beaches. It can be inland lakes. And if no such thing exists in your area (like if your lakes are only fishing lakes, not swim & sunbathe lakes), there are varying degrees of land sites too.

For example: Not all turf is the same. Some will have more punishing ratios of aluminum to gold. The worst is any place that has picnicking (eating and drinking) and BBQs (fires of any sort). So if you see picnic tables and BBQ pits, you can know it's going to be pitiful to try to angle for gold rings. Eating introduces foil (for the food wrap). Drinking introduces tabs (for the drinks). And BBQs/fire pits introduce aluminum nuggets (from people who threw their cans on the fires) . A sure-recipe for insanity. I'll hunt those type parks to angle for copper and silver (old coins), but will not attempt to "be a hero" and look for nickels or gold.

HOWEVER: turf that is strictly for athletics (and far from the bleachers where eating/drinking fans are) will have less punishing ratios of aluminum. Sports/athletics that require frolicking, arm motions, gloves (like baseball gloves) that go on and off that tug at ring. People who take off their jewelry "for safe keeping" and leave it on the sidelines with their coat and school books. Like soccer, baseball, football, volleyball, edges of basketball courts that meet-the-grass, etc...

Also inland like sandboxes, PT fields, wrestle pits, mud baths, mud wrestle pits, etc....

 

[slingshot]

My thoughts:
I got to know my MX5 so well I thought I was set for the challenge. Here's what I found out.
Trash. Treasure.
22-26-square tab. Large gold ring-26 nickels
10-14-foil. Large gold ring, nickels
60-65 screwcaps. Class ring, zincers
When I first started, I was amazed at how accurate(?) it was- then the good stuff hit.
On another note, my frequently hunted sites are now almost tab/trash free because I removed some every week. First, I started in tab reject, then migrated to high foil reject, then the next time, iron reject. Even found a couple rings in notch. If there's quite a bit of clad in notch, I go thru this. Elsewise, I hunt somewhere viable and maybe hit these sites in notch every couple of months. I'm 71, and fun is the name of the game.

 

[Dancer]

Rich

So , "Pick a better site." So that's the answer. Why doesn't that answer apply to the other fields of detecting ? Hot rocks, black sand, rusty iron for example. Strides have been made in all these. But the park hunter who sifts threw alum. trash. Best ,get a smaller coil. In the end, people are saddled to hunt what's available where they live. Where I live, just can't grab a machine and hunt Civil War relics. (Wish I could) So just saying. Pick a better site, like pack up and move ? Oh, and many pieces of Treasure (all kinds) continue to be plucked from the trashest areas. Be it rusty iron or aluminum.

Dancer,

You asked a question and one of the most successful detectorists I know of on ANY FORUM replies and you mock his answer.

You are welcome to hunt anywhere you please for whatever you wish with whatever detector you want. If you feel personally challenged to take on your local park that is overflowing with aluminum trash in search of gold hidden amongst it, knock yourself out. Tom’s advice is solid and I’ve taken it myself in order maximize my success. And it doesn’t just apply to trashed out parks, it applied to all aspects of detecting.

Hunt smart.

Rich -

No mocking intended. Some hunters just have to pick threw trash to be successful. That's what all the comparisons for new machines are all about, arnt they? Silver certainly isn't being replenished by New drops. That's why the interest in New technology for picking Treasure out of iron infested sites. The easy stuff is contracting and fast. It's coming down to good, hard research. So a park hunter gets a rumor of a piece of gold lost in a trashy area. The ring finders go through this all the time. Only thing to do is to go in there, hunt till you find it. Or just give up. Now this story is unbelievable but true. Hunted a not well kept ball field couple of years ago. There's a good mding club in the area. So after about a half hour, realized haven't even dug a tab or a coin. Couple pieces of wire. Another half hour, I'm wondering what's wrong with my machine. Than bang up against
left field fence. Medium sized gold ring. Hunted back to my truck, nothing. Ground keeper told me 4 guys hunted the place clean about a week before. Removed everything. I mean vacuumed. One target, one gold ring. That ain't happening again.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

..... No mocking intended. .....

Nor did I perceive any. It's all good. Just tossing around an issue

..... Some hunters just have to pick threw trash to be successful. ......

Sure. But remember: Some spots (land/turf included) will have better trash -to-ring ratios

 

[Hank68]

I haven't had the V3i long enough to find rings but it does a great job picking out nickels , I adjusted to the highest pitch on nickels it really stands out in the low range and the analyze mode take time to master but helps tremendously on nickels , IMHO

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I haven't had the V3i long enough to find rings but it does a great job picking out nickels , I adjusted to the highest pitch on nickels it really stands out in the low range and the analyze mode take time to master but helps tremendously on nickels , IMHO

Ah but alas: Every single nickel comes off the assembly line exactly the same. Same weight, same size, same composition of metals, etc... So every single nickel will read exactly the same (given various factors like the soil minerals and depth).

Unlike gold rings, that come in infinite shapes, sizes, densities & purities (eg.: 10k, 14k, 18k, 22k, plat, etc...)

 

[Hank68]

That's why the gold rings are so elusive so many variables to factor in, but I do love finding nickels , a lot are left behind due to the fact they're at the low end, HHHank

 

[Coast]

I have been working a few old parks for years. Cleaning out the clad pulltabs foil and trash. Then i go in when the rains start up and the halos of the deeper nice stuff show up and wow v nickles old rings large hat pins and barber dimes. The ol v3i is working its butt off to reach down in and find the good stuff. The key word here is 1890’s parks, still in use and right down the street. Fun stuff that tests the skill level.

 

[hunt2day]

At first I was not agreeing with Tom, hunt every location and just get stuck digging foil, tabs, ect. But then I started hunting a park that was established in the 20's, has to have good stuff. There are 18 grills scattered around the park with covered pavilions and picnic tables. After hunting this park 4 times and only finding one Wheat penny after digging a million pieces of aluminum slaw and junk I agree. I did my part I researched and found an old location but the last 50 years of aluminum has rendered it a crappy place to work. I agree 100% with Tom. I recently found a church that is old, very little trash and have been finding much more "good" stuff. I have permission to hunt there so I don't have to worry about getting kicked out either. Sometimes as much as you want a location to work it just doesn't. That said you have to go with the locations you have in your area and it does not hurt to give a site a shot. You never know !!

 

[slingshot]

Rich

So , "Pick a better site." So that's the answer. Why doesn't that answer apply to the other fields of detecting ? Hot rocks, black sand, rusty iron for example. Strides have been made in all these. But the park hunter who sifts threw alum. trash. Best ,get a smaller coil. In the end, people are saddled to hunt what's available where they live. Where I live, just can't grab a machine and hunt Civil War relics. (Wish I could) So just saying. Pick a better site, like pack up and move ? Oh, and many pieces of Treasure (all kinds) continue to be plucked from the trashest areas. Be it rusty iron or aluminum.

Dancer,

You asked a question and one of the most successful detectorists I know of on ANY FORUM replies and you mock his answer.

You are welcome to hunt anywhere you please for whatever you wish with whatever detector you want. If you feel personally challenged to take on your local park that is overflowing with aluminum trash in search of gold hidden amongst it, knock yourself out. Tom’s advice is solid and I’ve taken it myself in order maximize my success. And it doesn’t just apply to trashed out parks, it applied to all aspects of detecting.

Hunt smart.

Rich -
No mocking intended. Some hunters just have to pick threw trash to be successful. That's what all the comparisons for new machines are all about, arnt they? Silver certainly isn't being replenished by New drops. That's why the interest in New technology for picking Treasure out of iron infested sites. The easy stuff is contracting and fast. It's coming down to good, hard research. So a park hunter gets a rumor of a piece of gold lost in a trashy area. The ring finders go through this all the time. Only thing to do is to go in there, hunt till you find it. Or just give up. Now this story is unbelievable but true. Hunted a not well kept ball field couple of years ago. There's a good mding club in the area. So after about a half hour, realized haven't even dug a tab or a coin. Couple pieces of wire. Another half hour, I'm wondering what's wrong with my machine. Than bang up against
left field fence. Medium sized gold ring. Hunted back to my truck, nothing. Ground keeper told me 4 guys hunted the place clean about a week before. Removed everything. I mean vacuumed. One target, one gold ring. That ain't happening again.

Happens all the time! I'd searched a huge tot lot and had only found 3 dimes- but decided to at least finish the lot scanning. Hit s coin spill and when I
moved the pebbles back, there was a $10 bill.

 

[Willee - Texas]

The best discrimination takes place not in the detector but in your brain.

Pull tabs are very light in weight ... gold rings are much heaver.
If I were searching for gold rings in a sea of pull tabs I would listen for the deeper signals.
At the beach the depth separation between them is a lot more dramatic than at a park.

 

[Dancer]

The best discrimination takes place not in the detector but in your brain.

Pull tabs are very light in weight ... gold rings are much heaver.
If I were searching for gold rings in a sea of pull tabs I would listen for the deeper signals.
At the beach the depth separation between them is a lot more dramatic than at a park.

Very true most of the time Willee. But a pal and I while wading, were digging tab after tab in a very lucky area. Bingo, gold ring recent drop. Two years later my turn , another nice ring. He swings a Dual Field, I a Infinium.