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My new Xterra 70 was a bit buggy first time out (long)

Mike Hillis

Well-known member
Finally was able to get out with it yesterday and give it a go, running with the little 5x10 DD HF coil.

It turned off a lot on me. Most of that was due to the batteries. Every time I squatted to retrieve a target I would lay it across my knee, and it being top heavy would spin around so that the control box was toward the ground. I guess that would break the battery connection and it would shut off. It got aggravating having to reenter all my settings, until I remembered it saves last settings used. So I set it up, then turned it off and back on. So that helped. At least now when it shut off and I turned it back on I didn't have to go through the whole setting up process again. Sometimes I would just lay it on the ground so I didn't have to mess with it.

I used my pocket Uniprobe with it. Which means that I also share my headphones between the detector and the probe. Once when plugging my headphones back into the box, I watched the screen slowly fade and go blank and shut down. Another time, after unplugging and re-plugging the headphones in, I lost all audio. I had to turn it off and back on.

These little aggravations also caused me to remember about the need to stabilize the headphone cord to keep from premature shorting. So I started holding the phone cord so it wouldn't swing from the plug.

Performance wise it did ok. I used it in several different sites. The grassy park auto-balanced at 12 and 10, while a school playground auto-balanced at 8.

Target id was all ground specific. In the sand, the high coins stayed pretty constant but the nickels read up in the 16's and 18's. In the turf, they ran 8s, sometimes a 6. Nothing like the air tests numbers at all which is common for me and my ground.

One feature that I really liked was that the pinpoint mode also gave a target id number. It came in handy for identifying iron falses. I'd get a high tone that I thought might be a iron false and click into pinpoint mode, pinpoint it and see that -8, -6, or 48/-8 bounce and say "iron" with some confidence. It did seem the pinpoint mode automatically narrowed down target signals. I'll have to go back to the manual and see if it is supposed to.

I didn't find it that fast of a responder even with the DD coil, Seems to be very sweep speed dependant. Go too fast and the iron falses, go too slow and you can't isolate the target response correctly. This will be something I'll have to get down so I can teach it to whomever is using it. It may also be coil specific.

It did find me another clad half dollar, a 1 Euro coin, a 2 Rupee coin from India, a tiny little dolphin split ring (heavy but probably tin covered lead) and several dollars in clad.

It will serve its purpose ok once I get it debugged. I just wanted an extra machine that friends or family could use which could go anywhere I took my F-75, including nugget hunting. I'm going to need to get an extension cable for it so that my wife can hipmount the control box as it is still too heavy for her and she also wants to hunt nuggets.

Any suggestions for helping to fix my issues?

HH

Mike
 
I would look at the size of the battery first, not all brands are equal size.

I have found that especially with 9v but also AA s.

Seems like several Terras have this problem though, Minelab will fix it for You.

Bjorn
 
Hello mike! After reading your post I was a bit puzzled about some of your methods. I myself find it much easier to place the detector on the ground while searching for the target. Because the 70 is top heavy as you know resting it on your lap will definitely cause you issues while searching for your target, maybe a different approach might help your dilemma. Everyone has their opinions on probes and to be honest I have never used one on any detector I have used. 90% of the time I can pinpoint my target accurately with the 70. I really try to keep things simple as there are less complications when metal detecting and I think we can all get caught up with all of the little extras they throw at us these days. I have been using the external speaker on the 70 alot lately and even though it does chew into the battery power I'm enjoying the freedom of no wires popping out of my head giving me more movement as well. I know some people have hearing issues so phones are required. You say you just wanted an extra machine for friends and family well mate I'm tellin ya you would have to go heel and toe with me in a barn yard brawl to get anywhere near my 70 LOL.....anyway I hope you have fun with the 70 and sort out those bugs. I can sound a bit harsh at times so please don't take my criticism the wrong way. Best of luck!
Cheers!
 
G'day Mike.
List the problems you have and send it back to Minelab. Maybe, it might be best if you ask for a replacement unit as your's has too many issues with it. I know how frustrated you feel, as I have had constant problems with my unit. it reached a point , that I have hardly used it since September last year, although I have just started to use it again. My unit may need too be sent back for the third time yet. Maybe our units were built on a Friday afternoon.:poke:
Apart from the problems you are having (most folks find their units to be reliable though) with your pinpointing, you can detune it to give an accurate pinpoint. Press the pinpoint button twice more after you have selected it.
Once it is debugged or replaced, you should enjoy a very good unit. So far I have found them to be the best discriminating detector so far.
I haven't had the opportunity to come across the F-75 yet. Sounds interesting.
Mick Evans.
 
Mike: I had the shut off issue with my X70 when using Ray-O-Vacs. Then I read somewhere to use Duracells and haven't had a problem since. Now I bought a bunch of Panasonic Oxyrides, which are supposed to have double the life, so hope they'll work in the X70. If not, the Ace 250 gets 'em.

Also it is suggested to slide the batteries in horizontally, not dropping them in, which can compress the connections.
 
About laying the detector down...That is what I do as well and here is why...I can lay it down, coil close to the hole and sift through the dirt, running a hand full of dirt or the plug, over the top of the coil. This works great and yes, the coil picks up very well from the top side also. Nice for finding something in the dirt or sand pile. Might give it a try. I do still have a handle held probe, but use it very seldom. I only use energizer batteries here and they last like crazy! I am only on my second set and hunt every weekend. I am concerned about the ground balancing, seems it could be high to me and the coin readings(ID's)are off also. Wondering if you check in the all metal mode to make sure there is no iron there first before balancing? Let us know how it turns out, I can tell you it is a great detector for sure. Sorry about your troubles there.
 
Hi Ed,

Regarding my ground balance numbers, they are correct and normal. That is the kind of ground that I have. As far as my low conductor coin readings, yep...they are normal too. Nothing out of the ordinary going on there. That is just the affect the ground has on them.

A nice pinpointer speeds up target recovery. If you never used one before, you could spend 20 bucks on a Little Wizard II just to see what it is all about. Then if you decide you like them, you can go shopping for a better one.

HH
 
I can probably pull the springs up a bit, or something to solve the battery contact issue. This isn't something that just plagues the Xterras. I read about others who have had the same issue with other makes. First time I've ever experienced it though.

HH
 
Hey Bill, Snap-on stand? First I ever heard of one. Where can I see a picture? Where do you get them?

Thanks,

Mike
 
The battery contact issue is fairly common and is a easy fix I can do myself.

The headphone related issues are of some concern, but again, if I limit how often I'm un-plugging and plugging in the phones, than I'll not spend much time on those issues unless they become repeaters.

The only thing I am really concerned with is the headphone cable stability at the plug. I'll need to do something about that.

Overall I think it will be fine.

HH
 
..They help me hear better, extend my battery life, and keep me from bothering other folks or attracting unwanted attention from the children or adults. Without headphones these machines become pied pipers :0 My wife won't use the headphones cause they mess up her hairdoo. She usually becomes the pied piper :lol:

I have been thinking about going wireless though.

I hardly ever set my machines down on the ground unless I'm having to dig a deep hole. Most of the time it is squat, probe, retrieve stand up and move on. Even when I'm cutting a partial plug, I can usually work around it. Normally I can pinpoint good enough with the coil to probe a target with my screwdriver in short order. Not being familar with the 5x10, I couldn't do that, so that is where the Uniprobe comes in. It makes short work of finding objects from the surface down to about 4".

I confident I'll get it all sorted out in short order.

HH
 
Mike... Just read you post. Actually I have two "specials," but still
waiting for the second specials prospecting coil. One of the "first specials" battery springs may be a little weak and occasionally break
contact if jarred... but an easy fix... I'm impressed with the "depth"
of the 18.75 kHz prospecting coil. It reaches down into the eluvial mid-range gold, and may thus open a new "zone." Lke one of the clubs in a golfers bag, it has its use.

Open Question--- "What works best for You?" and comments welcome fron anyone who is reading this post:

Out in the varous desert broad Mojave desert goldfields the ground-balance in tracking seems to vary from about 9-10-11. I have found by taking it out of tracking, and that by keeping the ground-balance numbers on the screen, and by just manually pushing the + or - is a good choice.

Also keeping the threshold at "0" and if it starts to get noisy I go into "noise cancel" and push the AU and it goes to a different quadrant it seems to quieten down.

Low tone #4 seems to work for me as when I use headphones I cannot use my hearing aids. But if alone and it is quiet I just keep my hearing aids on and listen to the speaker which seems the best about tone #22... which I can, if I wish, turn the contol box around so the speaker is now upward and facing me. But I guess I could use an external speaker mounted behind my neck.

Just some observations... what is your experiences?
 
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