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My First YouTube Video. Sovereign Able To "See" A Masked Coin A Good Bit Below A Nail (Not What You Think I'm Implying) & Overcoming Various Other For
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Critterhunter
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I modeled my test after this recent famous one linked to below that's been floating around the net on elevated nail masking. I had done similar testing in the past with my GT but wanted to do it again on video so people could see how well the GT did in a similar test. I'd say the old girl held her own nicely! Watch this video and decide for yourself.
And also on my video in the first message of this thread, keep in mind I was right under some power lines and right next to a house so the Sovereign was a good bit unstable/noisy due to EMI, and also keep in mind that the built in speaker of the Sovereign doesn't do it's rich long detailed audio with fine details and sweet numerous tone alerts justice. There is simply no comparison to the quality of the Sovereigns audio heard through it's built in speaker compared to through a good set of headphones, and as said the GT was rather unstable due to the terrible EMI in the area of testing.
What you are seeing in both these videos is the DD line nulling on the iron (or sounding off to it in the second video's case) when it's first hitting it, and then as the coil moves and the DD line becomes parallel to the nail (thus no longer in the coil's detection field), the DD line is then able to go deeper and see the top surface of the coin off to the side of the nail.
You just need a good top of the line machine (such as the Sovereign) and a good sharp DD coil. I've even done this test with the stock 10" Tornado in the past with similar results, as that's the best stock DD coil I ever used on a detector. Goes deep and has a sharp field. Much better and with a far less "fuzzy" field than the various renditions of 10" stock DD coils I've used on other machines.
As a sidenote...Note how the GT is able to react to and separate the dime from both nails at the end of the test even with a rather fast movement of the coil. I wanted to note that because many people watch that famous Norfolk video and think the Sovereign won't see a coin that is two feet front a nail in the air test he did. That's because the guy was swinging the coil like he was launching a golf ball! You can't do that with ANY Minelab, and it really bothers me that it has led people to believe that the Sovereign is useless in heavy trash and iron.
In fact, I'd say the reverse of that is true. Best machine I've ever used in trash. You just can't be swinging the coil around like your killing snakes or trying to put out a fire at the end of your detector shaft.
It's all about proper coil control. Yes, you can go faster than some would suspect with the Sovereign, but there's also a "technique" to it when you want to do that. I prefer slow though 99% of the time, as I find at hard pounded sites when you can work the coil slow on a machine you can sniff out stuff that you just can't do with a machine that requires you to maintain a certain high level of coil speed to insure best performance. Like trying to read a sign as you go 100mph down the road versus 35.
(EDITING TO POST LINK TO ANOTHER MACHINE'S POPULAR ELEVATED NAIL TESTING VIDEO I WAS DUPLICATING MY TESTS ON WITH THE SOVEREIGN TO SEE HOW IT WOULD DO. This might take some time so I may have to post the link later when I figure out how to resolve a problem here I don't know how to solve yet...Darn internet with it's obscure cryptic linking system... )
And also on my video in the first message of this thread, keep in mind I was right under some power lines and right next to a house so the Sovereign was a good bit unstable/noisy due to EMI, and also keep in mind that the built in speaker of the Sovereign doesn't do it's rich long detailed audio with fine details and sweet numerous tone alerts justice. There is simply no comparison to the quality of the Sovereigns audio heard through it's built in speaker compared to through a good set of headphones, and as said the GT was rather unstable due to the terrible EMI in the area of testing.
What you are seeing in both these videos is the DD line nulling on the iron (or sounding off to it in the second video's case) when it's first hitting it, and then as the coil moves and the DD line becomes parallel to the nail (thus no longer in the coil's detection field), the DD line is then able to go deeper and see the top surface of the coin off to the side of the nail.
You just need a good top of the line machine (such as the Sovereign) and a good sharp DD coil. I've even done this test with the stock 10" Tornado in the past with similar results, as that's the best stock DD coil I ever used on a detector. Goes deep and has a sharp field. Much better and with a far less "fuzzy" field than the various renditions of 10" stock DD coils I've used on other machines.
As a sidenote...Note how the GT is able to react to and separate the dime from both nails at the end of the test even with a rather fast movement of the coil. I wanted to note that because many people watch that famous Norfolk video and think the Sovereign won't see a coin that is two feet front a nail in the air test he did. That's because the guy was swinging the coil like he was launching a golf ball! You can't do that with ANY Minelab, and it really bothers me that it has led people to believe that the Sovereign is useless in heavy trash and iron.
In fact, I'd say the reverse of that is true. Best machine I've ever used in trash. You just can't be swinging the coil around like your killing snakes or trying to put out a fire at the end of your detector shaft.
It's all about proper coil control. Yes, you can go faster than some would suspect with the Sovereign, but there's also a "technique" to it when you want to do that. I prefer slow though 99% of the time, as I find at hard pounded sites when you can work the coil slow on a machine you can sniff out stuff that you just can't do with a machine that requires you to maintain a certain high level of coil speed to insure best performance. Like trying to read a sign as you go 100mph down the road versus 35.(EDITING TO POST LINK TO ANOTHER MACHINE'S POPULAR ELEVATED NAIL TESTING VIDEO I WAS DUPLICATING MY TESTS ON WITH THE SOVEREIGN TO SEE HOW IT WOULD DO. This might take some time so I may have to post the link later when I figure out how to resolve a problem here I don't know how to solve yet...Darn internet with it's obscure cryptic linking system...
)Critterhunter
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Ran out of time to edit my message above, but figured out the right link to post of the other guy's elevated nail testing video that I modeled my test with the GT after.
http://youtu.be/ylUf0mKzw74
http://youtu.be/ylUf0mKzw74
deepdiger60
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First air testing is completely inaccurate second it baffles me why would anyone want to spend 10 minutes with a CTX trying to figure out if they have a nail or a coin ? waste of time to many ways to waste it .
Critterhunter
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Air testing can be informative in it's own way and can give an early indicator of just what a machine can do in certain respects. Also wanted to show people that just because the GT is a slow machine separation all comes down to how sharp the coil is IMO, and wanted to contrast that Sovereign Elite Norfolk nail/coin masking test and that the reason why he couldn't get a coin two feet from a nail was because he was swinging the coil like he was killing snakes. I bet that video really turned a lot of people off to buying a Minelab. You just don't swing any Minelab that fast.
I look at air testing like looking over a used car I might buy. First thing I do is start the engine up and rev it a little so I can hear if anything doesn't sound right. If it passes that test then I'll take it for a test drive. Air testing can give some indications of just what the machine might or might not be able to do, but yea after it passes that it's time for a test drive to see how it handles.
I re-editted the video and added text to it to explain certain things and what is happening with masking being overcome when using a good quality DD coil with a sharp DD detection line. Now that I've figured out how to upload and edit videos on youtube I'll be doing some more future Sovereign videos. Next one I think is going to be showing some non-ferrous masking and how a notched out pull tab effects (or doesn't effect) a coin being masked by it in certain ways. I did this testing in the past and came across some interesting stuff on the GT that I hadn't experienced in my tests in the past.
I bet that video really turned a lot of people off to buying a Minelab. You just don't swing any Minelab that fast.I look at air testing like looking over a used car I might buy. First thing I do is start the engine up and rev it a little so I can hear if anything doesn't sound right. If it passes that test then I'll take it for a test drive. Air testing can give some indications of just what the machine might or might not be able to do, but yea after it passes that it's time for a test drive to see how it handles.
I re-editted the video and added text to it to explain certain things and what is happening with masking being overcome when using a good quality DD coil with a sharp DD detection line. Now that I've figured out how to upload and edit videos on youtube I'll be doing some more future Sovereign videos. Next one I think is going to be showing some non-ferrous masking and how a notched out pull tab effects (or doesn't effect) a coin being masked by it in certain ways. I did this testing in the past and came across some interesting stuff on the GT that I hadn't experienced in my tests in the past.
Critterhunter
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Thanks, I just finished touching the video up some more a minute ago. I had added some on screen notes before, and just now I changed those around a bit too. Pretty happy with how it came out. The online editing tools at youtube are pretty nifty and easy to pick up on without having to read the instructions. Very intuitive. Added some pauses with text at the start/end of the video and a bit more content as to what you are seeing here. Should help to shatter some myths about detection fields, what they can do, and more importantly CAN'T do. 
Critterhunter
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Yea, it's simple. Click on your video and then click on edit I think in upper left corner, or there might be something in the upper right part of the screen or something about going to the video enhancements page. Click on attributes to add text to the video in various way, as well as pause the video during segments so you can say give people time to read an instruction before the video continues on.
You can set the start and stop time for various text to show on the screen by either entering that manually or by dragging the little heading bars for those text bubbles around at the bottom of the screen. Just don't be afraid to play around because you can't hurt anything. It won't change your original until you click on "PUBLISH" (I'm sure that isn't the word) or whatever in the upper right corner, even if it says it's saved it. In other words, if you have a video already posted on youtube you can still go back and change it, and then when you are happy with what you got you just click on the "PUBLISH" or whatever in the upper right corner and it will replace the old one on your youtube page for it. It won't replace it to you do that, even if it says "saved" as you change things. Instead when it's saved it'll be as a second video in your list of videos you've made until you click that publish/whatever button to replace the other one.
Check out what I just did on mine a couple of hours ago. Didn't take me long at all, and I was learning more of these features from scratch without even reading any how to info on it.
Was wondering, that video stabilization feature...Does anybody know if it distorts the video and makes it fuzzy? I didn't want to try that because I think it takes a while to process the video for one thing and thought it might cause stuff to smear?
You can set the start and stop time for various text to show on the screen by either entering that manually or by dragging the little heading bars for those text bubbles around at the bottom of the screen. Just don't be afraid to play around because you can't hurt anything. It won't change your original until you click on "PUBLISH" (I'm sure that isn't the word) or whatever in the upper right corner, even if it says it's saved it. In other words, if you have a video already posted on youtube you can still go back and change it, and then when you are happy with what you got you just click on the "PUBLISH" or whatever in the upper right corner and it will replace the old one on your youtube page for it. It won't replace it to you do that, even if it says "saved" as you change things. Instead when it's saved it'll be as a second video in your list of videos you've made until you click that publish/whatever button to replace the other one.
Check out what I just did on mine a couple of hours ago. Didn't take me long at all, and I was learning more of these features from scratch without even reading any how to info on it.
Was wondering, that video stabilization feature...Does anybody know if it distorts the video and makes it fuzzy? I didn't want to try that because I think it takes a while to process the video for one thing and thought it might cause stuff to smear?