My first solid Outlaw hunt

[mojotrout]

I finally got a chance to apply some of the advise and the experiences Ive read over the past few weeks today. It was 40 degrees with a cold wind, but work was slow so I burned a few overtime hours I had saved up and hit a spot in an old urban area with mature trees.

For you Outlaw users out there my settings and set-up procedures were as follows--

1-Every knob turn to min, toggle in auto position, Ground balance at 6 o clock.
2-New battery rang the snot out of me for a solid 5 seconds on power-up. Sensitivity to 6
3-Threshold to 2 o'clock with a solid hum
4-Disc set to just above foil
5-pumped coil, was solidly positive, ended up turning GB 1/3 or so counterclockwise to get spot on neutral GB (1 o'clock)
6-switched to Disc mode. Turned it up to just past Zn...Im testing this thing for clad, copper and silver only.
7- turned Thresh just a touch higher ala 53silver, but not so high that it messes with the Disc circuit as has been documented by IDXpro.
Off I go...
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1906 indian head penny at just over 4''
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1942 S quarter at 3.5'' and under a sizabe root wad
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a 925 ring at 1.5'', a 1944 wheat at 3'', a 1977 Canadian dime at 3'', and a goofy pin round out the day (did I mention the $1.30 in clad, 10-15 pull tabs, the 4 brass sprinkler fittings, and the half dozen pieces of big iron?).

I hit pull tabs at a solid 8'' and playing card -sized iron at 14''. but I also heard good solid signals for the dug treasure. I cant say that the silver sounded any different but I am guessing correctly on shallow pull tabs more often than not. The deeper ones still sound like they could be deep treasure.

Some more observations--

I only went into All-metal mode a few times- to see if I was hitting more than one target on few few bouncy/choppy/quick signals. Before I returned to disc. from all-metal (not the auto), I found a piece of clear ground, held the coil right at grass level, hit the re-tune, and then switched to disc.

I turned the machine off to change the battery but then repeated the set-up just as before.

...Speaking of Disc., I turned mine up pretty high-just above Zn. Not only did I want to see how well the machine could narrow in on coins of silver, copper and other clad, but also to test the notion that one loses depth as the disc is set higher. I didn't dig any treasure up from more than 4'' but I was digging beaver tails at 8" with those settings.

...Speaking of beaver tails-- no way to disc them out on this machine. Not sure any machine can, but definitely not this one. but like I mentioned before, at least they can go to some use.

This machine is also a penny sniffin' fool. 35 stinkin' pennies. One wheat, one the Indian head, which is my favorite find ever.

I dont know if any of this helps you other Outlaw users. Im just trying to document how I hunted with this machine, what the results were (this time), and show off some cool loot i found.

cheers.

 

[mojotrout]

the spoils.
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[mojotrout]

sorry, I said I mentioned thst I had described a use for beaver tails, but that was in another message -- our local V.A. will give someone a free minute of dialysis for every pulltab you turn in. Pretty cool.

 

[Furious T]

Nice finds! Did the Outlaw hit hard on the silver ring? I found 4 rings (2 silver, 1 white gold, 1 Junk) with the Outlaw I had on loan, and it seemed to hit pretty hard on them. They were at various depths...one small silver wire ring was more than 6" down....the others all hit pretty hard. You found some good stuff. HH

 

[SpiritRelic]

That was great mojo.The only thing i have a question with,is,the sensitivity setting at 6? You left your sens on 6 for the entire hunt? You did very well.Do you have mineralized ground? Thank you so much mojo for that awesome review.You had some great finds! WTG!

 

[GunnarMN]

WOW silver , you made some good finds, thanks for the report,

 

[tabman]

You got off to a great start with the Outlaw. Way to go!

I don't know what causes it, but every once in a while I'll dig a super deep beaver tail that didn't discriminate out, but would at the same setting once it's on the surface.

tabman

 

[Hombre]

Hey Mojo,

....Great review of the Outlaw and some nice finds, the Indian Head penny is my favorite. I'm curious about your disc. setting on finding the Indian Head, was you running your disc.at Zinc when you found this coin? Regards and HH

 

[mojotrout]

Nice finds! Did the Outlaw hit hard on the silver ring? I found 4 rings (2 silver, 1 white gold, 1 Junk) with the Outlaw I had on loan, and it seemed to hit pretty hard on them. They were at various depths...one small silver wire ring was more than 6" down....the others all hit pretty hard. You found some good stuff. HH

Furious, the ring wasnt very deep--only and inch or two, so yes, that sucker hit hard. But it didnt sound any different than a clad quarter that was the same depth. Of course, my ears are not trained yet so it may have given me a subtly different tone that i just didnt recognise.

 

[mojotrout]

That was great mojo.The only thing i have a question with,is,the sensitivity setting at 6? You left your sens on 6 for the entire hunt? You did very well.Do you have mineralized ground? Thank you so much mojo for that awesome review.You had some great finds! WTG!

I ony had the Sens at 6 when I first turned the machine on and balanced it. When I was ready to hunt, I turned the Sens up to just a touch past Zn. I STILL dug a buch of shallow (< 3") Zn pennies though.

Also Relic, we have very nice neutral soil here in this part of Idaho.

 

[mojotrout]

You got off to a great start with the Outlaw. Way to go!

I don't know what causes it, but every once in a while I'll dig a super deep beaver tail that didn't discriminate out, but would at the same setting once it's on the surface.

tabman

Tabman, thats EXACTLY what was happening. I would pull a handful of dirt out with the tab hidden within it and I wouldnt get a signal with the detector. It took my pinpointer to find it in the tailing pile. Weird.

 

[mojotrout]

Hey Mojo,

....Great review of the Outlaw and some nice finds, the Indian Head penny is my favorite. I'm curious about your disc. setting on finding the Indian Head, was you running your disc.at Zinc when you found this coin? Regards and HH

Hi Hombre-- I love that Indian Head too. I didnt expect to find something that old! I dont think Ive ever held one of those before. Yes, I was running just a little past Zn to see if the Disc would hide Zn pennies from me. It didnt at that setting, but if I turned it up about half way between Zn and Max, the pennies would start chopping or leave altogether. I didnt know what else Id be disc-ing out at that point though, so i kept it just around Zn.

I think pennies made before the 1980's were copper so wont Disc out at Zn settings.That might be why the I.H. rang out clearly at those Sens. settings.

 

[Hombre]

Hey Mojo,

....Great review of the Outlaw and some nice finds, the Indian Head penny is my favorite. I'm curious about your disc. setting on finding the Indian Head, was you running your disc.at Zinc when you found this coin? Regards and HH

Hi Hombre-- I love that Indian Head too. I didnt expect to find something that old! I dont think Ive ever held one of those before. Yes, I was running just a little past Zn to see if the Disc would hide Zn pennies from me. It didnt at that setting, but if I turned it up about half way between Zn and Max, the pennies would start chopping or leave altogether. I didnt know what else Id be disc-ing out at that point though, so i kept it just around Zn.

I think pennies made before the 1980's were copper so wont Disc out at Zn settings.That might be why the I.H. rang out clearly at those Sens. settings.

Mojo,
...You were very lucky to get a good audio "hit" on that Indian Head with your disc. set that high. In old areas that are producing older coins, you might think about using minimum disc.as the Outlaw has the ED-120 discrimination circuit. Even at a minimum disc. setting it should knock out a small surface nail.

 

[mojotrout]

..and just so there is full disclosure--this wasnt my first time out with this machine. I have taken it out about a half dozen times now. This is the first time Ive taken it out since reading all of the message threads concernig the settings/behavior of the machine. Its also --by FAR-- the best day Ive had.

 

[mojotrout]

Hey Mojo,

....Great review of the Outlaw and some nice finds, the Indian Head penny is my favorite. I'm curious about your disc. setting on finding the Indian Head, was you running your disc.at Zinc when you found this coin? Regards and HH

Hi Hombre-- I love that Indian Head too. I didnt expect to find something that old! I dont think Ive ever held one of those before. Yes, I was running just a little past Zn to see if the Disc would hide Zn pennies from me. It didnt at that setting, but if I turned it up about half way between Zn and Max, the pennies would start chopping or leave altogether. I didnt know what else Id be disc-ing out at that point though, so i kept it just around Zn.

I think pennies made before the 1980's were copper so wont Disc out at Zn settings.That might be why the I.H. rang out clearly at those Sens. settings.

Mojo,
...You were very lucky to get a good audio "hit" on that Indian Head with your disc. set that high. In old areas that are producing older coins, you might think about using minimum disc.as the Outlaw has the ED-120 discrimination circuit. Even at a minimum disc. setting it should knock out a small surface nail.

you would think that, but I dig nails left and right at low Disc settings with this machine. Even with the settings the way they were, i dug three rusty nails/bolts that were betewwn 2-4" deep. Maybe these were ones that had other metals/alloys in them so they sounded off but this thing seems to like iron no matter where the settings are. That said, Im digging some questionable signals. A lot of you guys ould recognise them as iron and move on but Im not that saavy yet. If I can get a repeatable beep even half the swings over a target, I get too curious and dig. I figure if its junk, at least Im training my ears for the junk and eventually maybe I'll know the difference. However, after seeing Gunnar's nail video and reading tabman's experiences with masking, Im not so sure though.

 

[SpiritRelic]

Nice finds! Did the Outlaw hit hard on the silver ring? I found 4 rings (2 silver, 1 white gold, 1 Junk) with the Outlaw I had on loan, and it seemed to hit pretty hard on them. They were at various depths...one small silver wire ring was more than 6" down....the others all hit pretty hard. You found some good stuff. HH

Let's see,the very few of us that have very limited time with the outlaw,and in a real short period we have all found silver.This outlaw really loves silver and other small type jewelry.My very first hunt with the outlaw i found a small antique silver ring at the same treacherous place i gave up on yesterday with the Tejon.I could not even get in there for the limbs and straw from winter.The outlaw nailed this small silver antique ring with ease way out it the woods last year.I am telling you detectorist now!You better keep an eye on the Outlaw.Look at this old looking ring. :-!

 

[mojotrout]

very cool ring! mine was pretty modern. Id much rather find those old ones, regardless of their relative values.

 

[tabman]

In real trashy places, I've found that a discrimination setting that just breaks up on beaver tails works pretty good. It's too risky to discriminate out zinc pennies.

tabman

 

[mojotrout]

In real trashy places, I've found that a discrimination setting that just breaks up on beaver tails works pretty good. It's too risky to discriminate out zinc pennies.

tabman

Duely noted tabman. But how do you judge when beavertails break up? Are you basing that on an air test or do you find one while hunting, cover it back up, and set the discbased on when it breaks up then?

 

[tabman]

In real trashy places, I've found that a discrimination setting that just breaks up on beaver tails works pretty good. It's too risky to discriminate out zinc pennies.

tabman

Duely noted tabman. But how do you judge when beavertails break up? Are you basing that on an air test or do you find one while hunting, cover it back up, and set the discbased on when it breaks up then?

Both. Generally, I know pretty much where to set the discrimination so beaver tails will break up in the audio.

If you're hunting a new location, it's a good ideal too hunt it for a short while with minimum discrimination to see what you're up against.

Then make a decision on where to set the discrimination. There's no need to use more discrimination than necessary.

The more discrimination you use, the more masking of good targets there will be. Also, you could be unnecessarily discriminating out a nice gold ring.

tabman