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My final coil question

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Is the 5" Excelerator coil better than the 4X6 Eclipse? Other than one being round and the other eliptical what are the differences? Is one better at handling high mineralized soil? Does one have better depth over the other? Is one more sensitive to small nuggets?
I've read all the old posts and still can't make up my mind. I plan on using a DD coil for
1.Coin shooting in extreme trash.
2.Coin shooting in high mineralized soil.
3.Combination of the above.
4.Nugget shooting.
I realize that their really is no diffinitive answer to this question but if there are any detectorists out there that have used both I'd like to hear their thoughts on the matter.
To Monte: I believe you prefer the Excelerator. Is there more to it than you just prefer a round coil over Eliptical? Does the Excelerator give you better depth? I'm asking you particularly because you're hunting only a few hundred miles north of me. So ground conditions may be similar.
If you're tired of answering this question I understand. I plan on rereading your posts about this topic again anyway.
Thanks for ANYONES help in advance.
 
Have done some more investigating. Have solved my dilemma. Please disreguard my previous post.
Well on second thought I'd be happy to hear anybodies thoughts on the matter of the differences between Whites 4x6 and the 5" Excelerator.
 
I like reading your questions, and seeing the answers you get. I benefit from them also. Besides, it makes for interesting reading, AND
IT BEATS THE HECK OUT OF READING THIS BUDGET REPORTS AT WORK, YUK !!!!
 
I have and use -both- the 4x6 White's and the 5" excelerator coils. They're both good in trashy areas and I don't really see a difference one way or the other between the two. One time out I might feel that the 4x6 seems to worked the best over the 5". The next time out I'll feel it's the other way around.
I have a small test garden at home. Although the deepest coins are abt. 4 to 5", I've seen no real difference between the two. The coins in my test area have only been buried about 9 months, but both coils work seem to work the same on them. I have only one dislike about the Excelerator coil, as silly as it might sound, I don't like the white color. For that reason and that reason only, I usually use the 4x6 White's. Otherwise in my use, it's been a toss of the coin.
DW
 
Thanks for the replies Jeff. I don't have much time as I just came in to bring the mail in. I already have the 6" Eclipse. The 950 hasn't been on my detector for quite some time.
What I'm looking for is ONE more coil that will be the best for MY situation. The 5.3 is a nice coil. But as I've adventured out to new areas I've discovered some that the soil is reading from the upper 70's to mid 80's. Plus one park that has an enormous amount of trash. I also plan on doing a little prospecting now and then.
That's why I'm shopping for a DD coil. I can't afford two or three more coils. I'm pushing it with buying ONE more. So my dilema is choosing one more coil that will handle high mineralization, cherry pick through the trash, reach down to a reasonable depth and do a slightly better than average job at nugget shooting. Is that too much to ask? <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
In no particular order I have narrowed it down to the 5" Excelerator or 4x6 Eclipse. But I haven't totally disreguarded the 6x10 Eclipse either. But I'll be coin shooting in trashy areas alot more often than I will be nugget shooting. That's the reason I'm leaning more toward the 4x6 instead of the 6x10. Decisions, decisions!!! <img src="/metal/html/confused.gif" border=0 width=15 height=22 alt=":?">
 
Thanks DW. You're one of two people I've heard from that have used both. Unfortunately the other guy liked the Excelerator. <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> Guess I'll put pics of both on the wall and throw a dart. Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
 
I have both the 5 inch Excelerator and the Whites 4x6 ai like them both.
WILLO
 
it's 9" long and only 2" wide and on another forum dedicated to the DFX it's purported to be the best coil for trashy environments as far as target separation and supposed to get good depth.I'm considering one for a DFX.HH Bill
 
I don't have any experience with the excelerator, but I just got the 4x6 dd the other day and i also have the 5.3 eclipse. I'm in love with the 4x6. Found a nugget my first time out with it. The nugget itself is smaller than a piece of birdshot (which I also found several pieces of that day). MY 5.3 is excellent in trashy ares. I went over an old schoolyard that i had been to before with the stock coil and the 8x14 dd deepscan. When I went back over it with the 5.3 I was pulling coins out left and right, the best one being a '36 wheatie. I have not yet done any coinshooting with the 4x6 but I can't help but think it would be at least as good if not better than the 5.3 just on the fact that it is a dd coil and my ground reads low 80's to low 90's. That and the fact that a dd coil has a more narrow window than a concentric coil. I was also looking at the 5" excelerator but I decided on the 4x6 mainly because i get and inch more coverage per sweep and it is at the same time and inch more narrow in width so it fits between rocks better when hunting for gold. Although like I said before, I do not have first hand experience with the excelerator, I don't believe you can go wrong with the 4x6.
One more thing. If you do make it out to do some nuggetshooting, take the time to learn the machine AND coil first in prospecting mode. Use a small (keyword SMALL) piece of lead to learn how to hear what a nugget will sound like. By small I mean about the size of a piece of birdshot. Start off by placing it on a clear piece of ground where you can see it and adjust the settings and your sweep speed untill you can hear it clearly and distinctly. If you are getting background noise, either turn down the gain or turn up the sat speed. Make sure your threshold is just where you can faintly hear it. once you can get a good signal, try tossing it out in front of you a few feet and find it again. I have done this on a rainy day in my garage for a couple hours just to get everything down before i went out.
Take a piece of lead with you the first few times you go out to hunt.(birdshot). the ground will most likely be different under field conditions than at home. Glue the lead to a piece of plastic with a string attached so you won't lose it. Make sure you can distinguish the sound of the lead from any other noise. Then try burying it an inch deep and see if you can still pick it up. If so, it's time to hunt as your detector is tuned correctly and so are you. Then you just have to get that first nug. If you are finding birdshot (other than your test piece) but no gold, you are doing well. You're just not where the gold is. Hope all this helps some in your coil choice and with nuggetshooting. Andrew
P.S. Buying a book on nuggetshooting is highly recomended. I have "The complete unabridged Zip Zip" by Larry Sallee. Great book. A bit dated but has all the info you need. There are others available at mining stores and detector shops.
 
the little Shooter Double-D is an 'OK' coil. I like the 5.3 Eclipse as an all-purpose coil. But the 5" EXcelerator is THE best of the smaller coils I have used.
Yes, I have a preference for a round shape. I also like a white colored coil because I hunt a lot of brushy areas, or dusty, sagebrush-covered ghost towns, and it is easier for me to keep an eye an a white-colored coil when I am working it under brush or in the shadows. Also, when night hunting it is easier for my eyes to track it.
I just liked the feel and peformance of the 5" EXcelerator better than the elliptical Shooter DD coil, and I felt the target responses were better. That's been MY observations, and why I pick what I pick.
<EM><STRONG>Monte</STRONG></EM>
 
DPW, you might also pick up Jim McCulloch's excellent nugget hunting book. It's straight to the point without any extra padding. Jim is also a nugget hunter and Whites dealer. Contact him directly at: OphirAU@msn.com and tell him I sent you. He will give you the straight info on the coils as well. You can trust his knowledge and experience.
Good Hunting,
<STRONG><EM>Otto...</EM></STRONG>
 
Thanks once again Monte. I listen carefully to your advise as you live in the Willamette Valley same as I. Although you're up north and I'm in the south end. I believe soil conditions are probably similar.
 
I'd like to thank all of you that responded with your help in this matter. I really appreciate it. You've helped a great deal. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
 
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