monte> what i am talking about is this. i took a set of post hole digers and dug a hole ext..... 8 inch>>>> one 9 >>>10 >> 12>>>the mxt would not even give a reading the gain was wide open, tried it ever way you could think of. greg if you are reading this please both of you give me an answer' fresh bat... in it. using stock coil. in a air test with a beer can on top of the ground it would pick it up at 13 to 14. don't understand marvin>>>>coins were put in the holes and covered back up>>5cent 25>1>10 even old silver>a 20 dollar peice.