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MXT and Iron Signal

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Canewrap

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Using the stock coil, how deep do you trust the Iron ID before you just dig it? I've found that with shallower targets 3-4" its pretty much always right. But, I'm wondering if I haven't been passing up some good targets by trusting the machines ID of iron, just a little too much.
 
The best advise for any detectorist is: when in doubt, dig. I have recovered some very nice targets in, around, over, and under iron/trash. Trust the audio, if it sounds like a coin might be down there, dig it and see, experience is the best teacher.
 
Abuddy of mine uses a MXT, and I had one before switching to the Xterra 70 with the 10.5 DD coil. We were hunting a CW camp that the MXT just was not picking up the deep targets. Anyways, I got a signal on the X70 and told him to come check it out. It read 10" on my detector. He ran his MXT with the 6x10 DD over it and it gave a weak Iron tone. Well I dug it, a 3 ring 54 cal bullet at 10". Point is the MXT is a great machine with limitations, we had found that "iffy" signals that give a low/high tone if you "milk" the coil over, and scrub the ground, were almost always at the 6 or 7" level and were good targets. That is why I sold mine, I love to dig the one that others have missed!!!!
 
Just a thought, but if the MXT coil is operating at one frequency and the X-70 at another, isn't that the reason for the
difference in their ability to pick up the signal? Also, Remember, your x-70 was useing the 10.5 inch concentric coil and the MXT was useing the
the 6x10 DD eliptical, a glaring difference right there. Just a thought.

Robert R
 
I agree with Robert R for those of you relic hunting, the 6X10 is not the best choice for depth. It is designed for primarily picking out targets in the trash and highly mineralized ground. For depth, stick with with the stock or larger coils.
 
Yes, but I also have used the stock 950 and the super 12 with the same results, the depth just stops at about 8 inches............
 
"the depth just stops at about 8 inches"

Sounds like you were hunting in bad ground. Is that true? I've noticed that in bad ground, my buddies X-70 does get better depth than the MXT. In good ground I can get 11-12". It was a 10.5 DD coil on your X-70 right? Not concentric?
 
I appreciate your comments however I must say I disagree with your assessment on the MXT and it's depth. I don't want to get into a "my detector is better than your detector" type of argument - but I will say this:

I've only owned the MXT for a year and have done a moderate amount of detecting with it, from coin shooting to civil war relic hunting in Virginia. I go to the "Diggin' in Virginia" every six months with my buddy who also uses an MXT and I have to tell you from my experience watching him with his MXT, he pulls out some very nice relics. Even over the guys who use the Minelabs X whatever. Again, I'm not here to bad mouth Minelab. I'm sure it's an very good machine, just as much as the MXT is a good machine. After watching all the different machines at work at "Diggin' In Virginia", I've come to the conclusion is is not really the machine, but the operator of that machine. I'm still learning the "talk" of the MXT, but my buddy has it down pat already. He understands that thing and what it is telling him. He pulls out bullets at the same depth you state the Minelab does. I've seen him do that over and over again. Now for me, I haven't been able to do that because I don't fully know my MXT yet. I also own a Tesoro Stingray water machine. I fully understand that machine and can probably match my buddy on pulling out bullets at 10" or more with the Stingray. I'll put it up against any other make out there - why? Because I know the "talk" of the Stingray and what it is telling me. My personal belief is that we all have comfort levels in the machines we use. Look at all the 300 different machines that are in use at "diggin' in Virginia." Every person there has their own favorite and some of those individuals have complete mastery of their own machine. That is what helps them bring in the good relics over those that just go around "swinging the coil" around all day with nothing to show. That and some luck of course. Just my two cents and humble opinion.

Don
 
I have only been at this a month with the mxt and have dug many many musket balls at 12+ inches with the stock coil. I have found the smallest of the 3 sizes I have at 10 inches and it was loud and clear. I am in Fl and the ground is terrible black sand and makes the machine very noisy if you have the gain up past 1 but the depth you get by going to +2 and +3 is amazing.
 
I too have found amazing depth with the MXT (real reason I'm sticking with this machine instead of going back to Tesoro). But, the question was about iron signals at depth. Should I be digging all iron signals if they present a tight pinpoint? I already dig most mixed signals, but haven't found many good targets as a result. I'm just afraid that I'm missing good targets in areas that I hunt, since they don't seem to have many good signals.
 
I also have some problems digging deep iron. Say you sweep 5 times and 3 times you get iron then 2 you get a good hit (relic mode) maybe button or buckle. Try to 4 way it same thing. So I got a buddy to check it with is tejon and got a good hit on it every time. So I dug it and it was a cw button but also had iron next to it. That is why I just ordered a 6 inch excellerator coil. J.W. at kellco told me about the same depth as the 9.5 but great seperation. My buddy also had a 8 inch on the teroso which helped it seperate it out. I am no pro as I have just got started in this but am finding out with the 9.5 you can get many targets under it at the same time and iron always seems to come out strong but normally if you get a good reading to something is in there with it or very close to it. I hope the smaller coil helps with all the confusion I am having. Someone had also posted about depth problems and why mentioned what I did. I guess more towards that then your question
 
But what coil were YOU useing when you were out? Was it the standard coil or the 6x10DD???
I would have thought the 6x10DD would have solved the problem for you so I'm guessing you were useing the standard 9.50 coil.
I too have an MXT. Great machine.
Robert R
 
Hummmm. I read the post again(slowed down this time:)-) Looks like you used used the 9.5. But why Kelly Co. Why not just buy the 6x10DD whites
coil?:confused:

Robert R
 
Yeah, I too wondered about why the 6" DD? You'd get better seperation than the stock with the 6 X 10 DD and you'd getter better depth with the 6 X 10 DD than you would with the 6" DD. A lot of people have been saying that they've replaced their stock coil with the 6 X 10 and I've been using my 6 X 10 for a bit now and I can see why when you're dealing with moderate to bad ground in most places. For me, in moderate ground the 6 X 10 DD gives me the same depth as the stock and I can pinpoint so much easier. I'm looking at getting a smaller coil right now, like the 6" DD, but its for really trashy areas where sacrificing some depth for detectability is a reasonable tradeoff (to me anyway).
 
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