motion pin-point-VS-no motion pin-point

[yowow#1]

in the Tesoro detectors, most have a motion pin-point. How does motion pin-point help you pin-point a target better than discriminate pin-point??? To me'.. this feature motion pin-point has no relevance"..... If i am wrong can someone explain it to me?

 

[MarkCZ]

With the Tejon, most of the time and can really get a nice pinpoint in discrimination mode, but sometimes if the signal is not a great one I will toggle to pinpoint and it will clear it up some and help me to get the target centered under the coil. But the two pinpoint methods are completely different. In the discrimination mode you can keep any surrounding metal targets disc'ed out while your pinpointing, on the other hand in the all-metal pinpoint you can get pulled off the actual target your were really going after.

I used the discrimination pinpoint method first, if I have some trouble then I switch to the all-metal pinpoint. one is more near a No Motion Pinpoint, as the other work a bit faster.


Mark

 

[BarberBill]

I assume you're referring to pinpointing in all metal mode? Pinpointing in this mode on most detectors (not only Tesoro) responds to just the very slightest motion which makes it more useful for sizing and or shaping the target as well as narrowing down the exact location more closely. Detectors that have a pinpoint button, but no separate switchable all metal mode go into all metal mode when pressed in order to help in the same way. When trying to determine whether a target is likely worth retrieveing or not, remember the 3 "S" rule. Sound, Size and Shape. If the target is obviously pretty good sized when moving the coil in all metal, or possibly long and narrow, it's a pretty safe bet that it's not a coin. It' also useful to be aware that on most machines, if not all, this mode will give all the depth your machine is capable of, regardless of the sensitivity setting.
BB

 

[Idxpro]

No motion is just what it says, no motion required and of course motion means motion required. Now the Outlaw for example has an auto retune mode which is simply the motion where the threshold is retuned after a second of not moving over the target. This is called S.A.T. for self adjusting threshold. Some machines pinpoint feature simply puts the machine in this all metal S.A.T. mode like my Whites Idx. Not biggy, just keep the coil moving back and forth as you zero in on the target. For newbies having a pinpoint that works in all metal non motion is much simpler as they can just sit right over the target and the machine will continue to sound off making it much easier for the newbies. So there you have it, pinpointing in all metal no motion required or pinpointing in a motion required (S.A.T.).

 

[MarkCZ]

Let me ask a question here,
Does Tesoro make any TRUE "No Motion Pinpoint" detectors? I've found that even on the ones that say No Motion, really means "Very Little" motion required.

All the other brands of detectors I've ever owned had True All Metal No Motion Pinpoint modes.

Mark

 

[Idxpro]

The outlaw does. I would say it has both since button halfway is non motion and all the way is motion. For a deep target, while in no motion, you can also detune for some real precision too, I don't use it much but it's there.

 

[yowow#1]

Thanks for the responses, good info. The reason i was wondering is because i have a vaquero and i can pin-point a target as good in disc as i can in motion pin-point, I do believe a no motion pin-point is much more accurate than a motion one, at least i am more accurate with my machines that have a no motion feature. And that is important for digging smaller plugs/holes. HH

 

[yowow#1]

With the Tejon, most of the time and can really get a nice pinpoint in discrimination mode, but sometimes if the signal is not a great one I will toggle to pinpoint and it will clear it up some and help me to get the target centered under the coil. But the two pinpoint methods are completely different. In the discrimination mode you can keep any surrounding metal targets disc'ed out while your pinpointing, on the other hand in the all-metal pinpoint you can get pulled off the actual target your were really going after.

I used the discrimination pinpoint method first, if I have some trouble then I switch to the all-metal pinpoint. one is more near a No Motion Pinpoint, as the other work a bit faster.


Mark

Thanks MarkCZ for your post, i think you and i are thinking along the same lines about motion and non motion pin-pointing, If my vaquero had a no motion pin-point, i believe it would be a great enhancement.

 

[yowow#1]

I assume you're referring to pinpointing in all metal mode? Pinpointing in this mode on most detectors (not only Tesoro) responds to just the very slightest motion which makes it more useful for sizing and or shaping the target as well as narrowing down the exact location more closely. Detectors that have a pinpoint button, but no separate switchable all metal mode go into all metal mode when pressed in order to help in the same way. When trying to determine whether a target is likely worth retrieveing or not, remember the 3 "S" rule. Sound, Size and Shape. If the target is obviously pretty good sized when moving the coil in all metal, or possibly long and narrow, it's a pretty safe bet that it's not a coin. It' also useful to be aware that on most machines, if not all, this mode will give all the depth your machine is capable of, regardless of the sensitivity setting.
BB

Thanks Barber Bill, for your response... Your info about motion-VS-non-motion pin-pointing, "Sound, Size and Shape", makes perfect sense, and i understand what you are saying. But i still don't think motion pin-point is very relevant, but thank you again for your informative post.