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DeepTech

Monte's Power Balancing, works, big time!

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saika

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I went out yesterday for a very short hunt. I went out with the idea of trying out the Power Balancing instructions that Monte wrote about.


I GBed my machine and the dial rested at the 6:00 mark for a good steady threshold. I switched into disc mode and kicked up the sensitivity to max and turned the GB negative until the "V" responded with a squawk as I lifted the coil. I now began adding just until it stopped squawking. The difference was a full quarter turn negative.
I trimmed the sens back down to 1 and the hunt was on. There was only enough time to dig about 4 targets. 3 were junk, the 4th and last was a zinc penny at 4+ inches. It howled! Usually at this depth a zincer is less pronounced, it hit almost like a coin on the surface.

Many thanks Monte! :)
 
n/t
 
I am relearning the responses of my Vaquero. It is quite a pronounced difference in performance. The only caveat is that it seems that you do have to keep your eyes on the gb setting and retest every once in a while.
 
[size=small]...I tried it today with my Vaq and I ended up negative for the ground conditions. I followed these directions:


"GBed my machine and the dial rested at the 6:00 mark for a good steady threshold. I switched into disc mode and kicked up the sensitivity to max and turned the GB negative until the "V" responded with a squawk as I lifted the coil. I now began adding just until it stopped squawking. The difference was a full quarter turn negative."


First off, I didnt get what I would refer to as "squawking," just a signal when I raised and lowered the coil. I got it to go quiet and yes, I ended up about .25 turn to the neg.

Okay, so what? Does this turn an already good, basic instrument into a super detector? I found a dime and a zincer at or near the surface in my yard, after doing this little knob twiddle exercise. How does that recommend the practice?

Monty has a lot of experience, and I have absorbed much good information from him, a fellow willing to always help. Thanks, Monte. But, without casting aspersions, I don't know that his ideas are superior - they might be, but where does this "Power Balancing" concept come from? Enhancing the threshold to provide more "punch" (Hyper Tuning) in DISC ... now that I can relate to. I've been doing it literally for years.

But, there is always some "guru" with the newest idea, and always someone to claim how super it is, but I still dont follow the benefit. Everything about the Tesoro's is touted as being almost mystical, in fact, from the electronics to the color schemes. I've been using them for years and they work very well. Solid, reliable instruments... NOT the Rosetta Stone of detecting, however.

Here's what I DO see: Once you turn your sense back down from the point at which you "Power Balance" - well, you now have a regular detector that is balanced negative to the matrix, which, unless my memory fails me, has always been recognized as a bad thing.

How does "Power Balancing" change this?
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hmmmm,

I found that my machine runs smoother and the disc is much more quiet on iron. Also, it seems that there is a bigger bang on the shallow to mid range coins. I haven't hit what I would call a super deep coin yet with this set up. I wasn't happy with the way my larger coil worked at times, especially in really wet soil. Which we have a lot of right now.

Sorry Dave, but it is a big deal to me. When I can see harder hitting on the coins, more stability, much less falsing and able to run my disc lower....it all adds up to better or BIG TIME to me.
 
Hey, no offence Pete! I wasnt trying to put anyone down. But there is a lot of "...seems" and "I think it's better.." in all of that. If you think about it, you should get a quieter machine if you are running "negative", or below the ground mineralization balance point.

I will admit that I havent tried it long term, as I havent run the Vaq as my solo unit.
 
No worries at all, you are right I should have been clearer on the benefits. I was leary about running negative myself, it goes against everything I thought was right about performance but the way the coins are hitting just popped my gourd :).

I could have been politer, sorry.
 
It's cool, bro. Find something good and make me out to be a naysayer!
 
I am new to the Tesoro forum and Tesoro, I tried a search and did not find a post what date was the power balace post written so I can read on this and maybe try it.

I know things like this can really work as I found a way to balance the 96 frequencies on my Garrett Infinium that virtually eliminates any falsing. Garrett did not even know this could be done when I sent them a e-mail.
 
gave a good tone, in my ground, on a quarter at 7-8" which is good. BUT, it also gave me a lot of noise and clatter on the junk items nearby. Just my experience. HH
Chris
 
Dave,

My understanding is that with certain detectors when you balance in all metal then switch to disc for hunting the engineers build in a little positive offset which is to eliminate responses from hot rocks. It was easier to do this then have to explain to people why they get hits on those rocks and then feel there is something wrong with the detector. By doing the "power balance" you negate the built in offset and get closer to a true ground rejection point. This can improve performance especially on coins albeit at the possibliity of hitting on hot rocks.

Tom
 
Okay, now that I can understand. I also guess this Power Balancing only works on detectors without preset GB point in the DISC mode.
 
When I had the Vaquero I never felt the need to set the GB positive at all. Neutral or slightly negative always worked well here and no problems with hot rocks for the most part. My ground is generally mild to moderate and the Cibola worked good also, actually I preferred it for a couple reasons over the V. On low mineral quartz sand beaches the Cibola was slightly negative in the dry sand and a little positive in the wet sand near the waters edge which is understandable.

Tom
 
but it works as described above. The only detector that I found this to benefit me that much was a Pantera. For some reason, when running the GB in a slightly positive manner, silver coins didnt hid very hard. If I used a power balance to give it a more negative bias, then the silver coins(and clad quarters) would hit with a little more ummph. The offset is that you may lose a little depth.
To do it, just adjust your GB more negative, while bobbing your coil up and down in the Disc mode. At some point in time, your coil will start popping as you lift the coil. It is at this point that you tune the GB back down until the pop goes away. The result is a negative GB, but not to the point where you are falsing on everything. It of course wouldnt work on the Cortes or the Lobo ST that has the fixed GB in Disc mode. And, it is not for everyone. Just like Supertuning doesnt work in all situations(try using your pinpoint mode or GB while supertuning, and you'll blast your ears out). Hope this helps a little.

J.
 
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