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Monte: coil question

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Hello Monte and everyone else reading,
My question is regarding the excellerator 8-inch versus the eclipse 5X10 DD. I know I read many coil comparisons that you have commented on, but I was wondering specifically about these two. Is the depth comparable? Is it the shape that makes it better (circle versus football shape)? What gives the 8-inch excellerator the edge over the 5X10? I'm thinking about getting one for the MXT, but can't decide. I know I can get the 5X10 for about 80-95 dollars cheaper, but if it is worth the extra bucks, I certainly don't mind paying for it. I currently have the 950 loop, the 5.3 and the 3X6 DD. Also, is there much difference in performance of the 5X10 over the 950, or am I just tossing money around?
Also, I just wanted to say that I had my MXT for 5 weeks now and I'm just trilled about it. That detector is amazing and I have no regrets getting it (only that I didn't do it sooner). So thank you all on the MXT forum for being so enthusiastic about the MXT and your finds with it as it convinced me to purchase one.
My friend took your recommendation on buying the 8-inch excellerator and we did some tests with it the other day. In our garden, I have a nickle at 7-inches in the ground with iron about 2-inch off to the side at 4-inches. None of my coils could see it. My Minelab GT with the 8-inch had no problems finding the target. So we put on the 8-inch excellerator and cranked up the gain all the way (this was for all the coils) and sure enough, I was finally getting a signal dead center of the target. We were both happy about that. It wasn't quite as strong as the GT or consistent for each sweep, but it was there, when all the other coils didn't (I think the near by iron threw them off). So thanks for your recommendation as my friend is very happy. So this is why I am now considering getting another coil.
As always, thanks for your help.
Sincerley,
Rick
 
<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">My question is regarding the excellerator 8-inch versus the eclipse 5X10 DD. I know I read many coil comparisons that you have commented on, but I was wondering specifically about these two. Is the depth comparable?</FONT>"</STRONG>.... There are so many variables, it is really difficult to say that for me and the way I set up the MXT, and the types of sites I hunt, and with the sort of masking trash I might encounter and in the high mineralization I am usually hunting in that <EM>you</EM>, or anyone else, would
 
<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">My question is regarding the excellerator 8-inch versus the eclipse 5X10 DD. I know I read many coil comparisons that you have commented on, but I was wondering specifically about these two. Is the depth comparable?</FONT>"</STRONG>.... There are so many variables, it is really difficult to say that for me and the way I set up the MXT, and the types of sites I hunt, and with the sort of masking trash I might encounter and in the high mineralization I am usually hunting in that <EM>you</EM>, or anyone else, would see the same differences sin performance that I do.
<STRONG>'Depth,'</STRONG> that too often spoken of term folks seem to want to use for comparisons all the time, is ONLY ONE of the performance characteristics that I consider when evaluating coils and/or detectors themselves.
Please don't be misled to believe that a little 'edge' of one coil over the other means inches of difference. It might onyl mean a half inch or an inch, or just the fact that the response at the deeper depth is a little better, but for me, that 8" EXcelerator tend to get slightly better depth than the stock 950 as well as the 6x10 DD.
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<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">Is it the shape that makes it better (circle versus football shape)?</FONT>"</STRONG>.... Certainly that is one factor which has to be considered, and I think it adds to the slight depth advantage. Then too, as I have stated so many times, I just do NOT like to look down at a pronounced eloiptical coil! I prefer the round-shaped coils. It's that simple.
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<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">What gives the 8-inch excellerator the edge over the 5X10?</FONT>"</STRONG>.... Shape of the two inner windings (Transmit & Receive), and the amount of overlap they have as well as the overall size of the windings. I mean, what else is there to consider, other than the fact that some coils just happen to, by design, be 'hotter' than others.
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<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">I currently have the 950 loop, the 5.3 and the 3X6 DD.</FONT>"</STRONG>.... Three factory coils that are 'OK,' but, ... <EM>and if you've read my comments much you'll know what I am about to say</EM> .... I don't care for the Mini Double-D all that much, and the stock 950 is fine, but larger than I would like to have seen. The best all-purpose coils *IN <EM><STRONG>MY</STRONG></EM> OPINION* is White's 5.3 Eclipse, which is actually a 6
 
Rick, I tried answering earlier and I clicked on "Preview Message" to proof read it. It never loaded. I clicked on it twice and it never loaded the Preview for me to proof, so I copied it and decided to wait a while. No clue? Anyway, I'll see if my whole response will go through now.
<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">My question is regarding the excellerator 8-inch versus the eclipse 5X10 DD. I know I read many coil comparisons that you have commented on, but I was wondering specifically about these two. Is the depth comparable?</FONT>"</STRONG>.... There are so many variables, it is really difficult to say that for me and the way I set up the MXT, and the types of sites I hunt, and with the sort of masking trash I might encounter and in the high mineralization I am usually hunting in that <EM>you</EM>, or anyone else, would see the same differences sin performance that I do.
<STRONG>'Depth,'</STRONG> that too often spoken of term folks seem to want to use for comparisons all the time, is ONLY ONE of the performance characteristics that I consider when evaluating coils and/or detectors themselves.
Please don't be misled to believe that a little 'edge' of one coil over the other means inches of difference. It might only mean a half inch or an inch, or just the fact that the response at the deeper depth is a little better, but for me, the 8" EXcelerator tends to get slightly better depth than the stock 950 as well as the 6x10 DD.
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<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">Is it the shape that makes it better (circle versus football shape)?</FONT>"</STRONG>.... Certainly that is one factor which has to be considered, and I think it adds to the slight depth advantage. Then too, as I have stated so many times, I just do NOT like to look down at a pronounced elliptically-shaped coil! I prefer the round-shaped coils. It's that simple.
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<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">What gives the 8-inch excellerator the edge over the 5X10?</FONT>"</STRONG>.... Shape of the two inner windings (Transmit & Receive), and the amount of overlap they have as well as the overall size of the windings. I mean, what else is there to consider, other than the fact that some coils just happen to, by design, be 'hotter' than others.
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<STRONG>"<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">I currently have the 950 loop, the 5.3 and the 3X6 DD.</FONT>"</STRONG>.... Three factory coils that are 'OK,' but, ... <EM>and if you've read my comments much you'll know what I am about to say</EM> .... I don't care for the Mini Double-D all that much, and the stock 950 is fine, but larger than I would like to have seen. The best all-purpose factory coil *IN <EM><STRONG>MY</STRONG></EM> OPINION* is White's 5.3 Eclipse, which is actually a 6
 
Hello Monte,
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Your expertise always helps me make a wise and final decision. I'm going to just save up for a purchase of the 8-inch excellerator. I just needed to know if you were able to compare those two coils side by side as I didn't have the opportunity to do so and you did, so that is good enough for me.
I bought my MXT used and it came with those 3 coils. I was happy about the 5.3 being included, but I read your reviews before the purchase, so I wasn't so happy that the 3X6 was part of the deal. I would have rather it come with the 5X10 if I had the choice. Oh well, I still got a great deal on it.
I understand what your talking about coil performance cause this was the first detector I had with several coils to play around with. The difference in depth of the 5.3 and the 3X6 after many test in my area showed about an average of 1/2 inch in favor of the 5.3. But, also, the audio response just sounded better over all on various targets to me with the 5.3. The depth wasn't substantial, but given those two characteristic about that coil makes it my number one coil for now (till I buy the excellerator). And I, like you, am not crazy about the elliptical shape coils. I don't know why that is, but I just like the round ones better.
I'm sure many people don't think 7-inches is a lot, but here, that is really good. That is why I specifically buried a coin at 7-inches cause I know it is pretty difficult and pushing the detectors I use to the edge. So I was very happy to see the MXT pull that one off with the excellerator coil. In the sand at the beaches in Santa Cruz, it's a different story as I have hit coins deeper. But in the hard packed soil in the bay area, 7-inches is challenging for many detectors.
Oh, by the way, that was the Sovereign GT I was testing against the MXT. It does pretty good, but I have found that most of the times that the MXT can stay right with GT. Very few times have I seen the GT leave the MXT behind with the targets I have compared. In fact, it has been usually the opposite, as the MXT was usually giving a better audio response to a deep target. That is why I was surprised when I couldn't hear the target with my 5.3. Maybe if I get the 8-inch excellerator, the GT will never leave behind the MXT. I'm still new with the GT, so maybe once I get better, the GT will start spanky the MXT. But so far, after 4 weeks of comparing, almost daily, that hasn't been the case. And if not, I don't care because I prefer the MXT over the GT (at least for the moment). I know the minelab guys swear by them, so I won't give up and continue to practise with it to see what their raving about. But for now, I found that the depth are about the same so far in comparing them to coin targets, but there is no comparison when it comes to small low conductive targets. The MXT blows the GT away. If your looking for fine small jewelry (like me), don't even waste time swing a GT as it will pass right over it to let an MXT find it (that's any mode on the GT as I have tried everything to get her to sing and she didn't).
Thanks again Monte for all your help. I can't wait to get the excellerator. Your making me want to purchase the 12.5 excellerator also. I need to stop talking to you or reading your post, because I'm going broke. Thank God my wife hasn't left me yet for all the crazy hobbies I get myself into.
Take care.
Sincerely,
Rick
 
Rick, don't be to disappointed that the 4x6 (3x5 or whatever) came w/your deal. It's a good coil. I have one and also the 5" Excelerator AND the 6x10. I just got the 6x10 and used it today for the first time... In high trash areas and depending on brush etc., I'll flip a coin and use the 5" excel. or the 4x6. Both will do a good job. You'll be glad you've got it in trashy spots...
DW
 
That little 4X6 coil is great in trash with some great depth too we are seeing. The best thng for Rick to do is try it for himself and he will see, if not for him I am sure it will sell fast on the classified.
Rick
 
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