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I enjoy using the 8" brown donut coil, and would like to know your opinion of any differences in depth or whatever, between this coil and the standard 8x9". Say on an Eldorado. Thanks.
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It all depends. There can be tolerance differences between different models, and even within individual specimens of the same model. Slight variances from coil-to-coil that could have them slightly "out of spec." That said, however, after having used Tesoro's for about twenty-five years I have a soft spot for the 8" open-center WHITE coils. I don't care for the color, thinckness or weight of the brown coils.
I used to hang onto a 'hot' specimen of the 8" white open-center coil. I tried them a lot at the time of the Bandido to Bandido II transition and I found the 8" white open-center coils usually were just a little better than tbhe brown coils. Not all of them, but some just a little.
I have also found the performance of the 8x9 to be just a little better than the brown 8" open-center coil. Not that there has been a drastic difference, but when a difference was noted, it went in favor of the 'spoked' 8x9.
<EM><STRONG>Monte
I used to hang onto a 'hot' specimen of the 8" white open-center coil. I tried them a lot at the time of the Bandido to Bandido II transition and I found the 8" white open-center coils usually were just a little better than tbhe brown coils. Not all of them, but some just a little.
I have also found the performance of the 8x9 to be just a little better than the brown 8" open-center coil. Not that there has been a drastic difference, but when a difference was noted, it went in favor of the 'spoked' 8x9.
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As Monte said, there is not a great deal of difference in the performance of the two. I have used the Eldorado and the Lobo ST with both style coils and never use the 9 x 8 on either machine (different coils, of course, but same styles).
My choice to use the round 8" coils (and the 7" Shadow coil on the Eldorado sometimes) rather than the spoke style coils has more to do with my style of hunting rather than a need for optimum depth. I hunt on very jagged, rocky lake shorelines and on beaches with shallow sand over rock so I don't need a great deal of depth except in rare cases and the Lobo ST with an 8" coil handles the need for depth quite well.
The major reason I use the solid coils is that the spoked coils have an annoying tendency to snag on the sand or rocks and brush whereas the solid coils will bounce or slide over these obstructions much more smoothly. (I don't "scrub" my coils but ground contact is inevitable.) I never use a coil cover and have not had to replace a coil in seven years.)
The biggest objection I had to the spoked coils was the fact that a coil cover was necessary to protect the exposed soft epoxy on the bottoms and the cover quickly fills with sand...which is usually conductive enough to drive you crazy with the falsing it causes. You can't stop the falsing until the cover is removed and the sand cleaned out but the next problem is that the covers on spoked coils are virtually impossible to remove in the field. (unless you have a friend along to help but I hunt alone) After two ruined hunts that were aborted because of sand in the cover and no way to get the cover off without help, I sold the Lobo spoked coil and replaced it with a solid 8". I use an old weighted Bandido 8" on my Eldorado.
I rarely hunt anymore anyway (too many folks with detectors and not worth the trouble) but I read the forums sometimes and thought I would toss this out FWIW.
Hi Monte...long time no see! <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="
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My choice to use the round 8" coils (and the 7" Shadow coil on the Eldorado sometimes) rather than the spoke style coils has more to do with my style of hunting rather than a need for optimum depth. I hunt on very jagged, rocky lake shorelines and on beaches with shallow sand over rock so I don't need a great deal of depth except in rare cases and the Lobo ST with an 8" coil handles the need for depth quite well.
The major reason I use the solid coils is that the spoked coils have an annoying tendency to snag on the sand or rocks and brush whereas the solid coils will bounce or slide over these obstructions much more smoothly. (I don't "scrub" my coils but ground contact is inevitable.) I never use a coil cover and have not had to replace a coil in seven years.)
The biggest objection I had to the spoked coils was the fact that a coil cover was necessary to protect the exposed soft epoxy on the bottoms and the cover quickly fills with sand...which is usually conductive enough to drive you crazy with the falsing it causes. You can't stop the falsing until the cover is removed and the sand cleaned out but the next problem is that the covers on spoked coils are virtually impossible to remove in the field. (unless you have a friend along to help but I hunt alone) After two ruined hunts that were aborted because of sand in the cover and no way to get the cover off without help, I sold the Lobo spoked coil and replaced it with a solid 8". I use an old weighted Bandido 8" on my Eldorado.
I rarely hunt anymore anyway (too many folks with detectors and not worth the trouble) but I read the forums sometimes and thought I would toss this out FWIW.
Hi Monte...long time no see! <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="
">Jack
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You can't be THAT retired ! <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">
How ya been ?
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I have been elaborating too much in some of the posts lately <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=""> but you mentioned the two points I agree with 100%.
I very seldom use a coil cover because they just aren't necessary, and besides, they can be a pain to remove on some coils. The 'spoked' design almost mandates their use to keep them looking decent.
The other point, about the very open design hanging up of brush, etc., is why I like solid coils with every brand detector I use.
Get out now and then. It's good for ya! <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="">
<EM><STRONG>Monte
"> but you mentioned the two points I agree with 100%.I very seldom use a coil cover because they just aren't necessary, and besides, they can be a pain to remove on some coils. The 'spoked' design almost mandates their use to keep them looking decent.
The other point, about the very open design hanging up of brush, etc., is why I like solid coils with every brand detector I use.
Get out now and then. It's good for ya! <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="
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you compare the Eldorado and the Lobo ST? Would you consider the Lobo ST to be a "deep" detector? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
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As with all detectors, each has their strengths and weaknesses and a head to head comparison is not always a win/lose "contest". I enjoy using both of these machines and let the location I'm going to hunt dictate which I will use.
My detecting is , by choice, limited to the small sand beaches and rocky shorelines of local freshwater lakes. During the summer, I use a Stingray II for most of my hunting and during the cooler months I use the Eldo and Lobo St.
I like the Eldo because, with the 7" coil, it is lighter than the LST and just a tad easier to maneuver over the shoreline rocks and is a bit more portable than the LST. I usually ride a motorcycle and the Eldo breaks down smaller (less coil cable) and makes a more compact and easier to transport package.
In answer to your question though, yes, the LST is a DEEP detector. I use the LST when I am going to hunt an area with deep sand because the LST will easily reach coin/ring size targets 3 to 5+ inches deeper than the Eldo. It will exceed the 12" mark on my shovel. The LST is also a jewel with the 3x7 concentric coil when hunting a trashy site.
If I had to choose only one to live with it would be the LST but only because its superior performance outweighs (pun intended <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=""> the lighter weight and compactness of the Eldo.
Attached is a photo of the shoreline I hunt and you can see why I don
My detecting is , by choice, limited to the small sand beaches and rocky shorelines of local freshwater lakes. During the summer, I use a Stingray II for most of my hunting and during the cooler months I use the Eldo and Lobo St.
I like the Eldo because, with the 7" coil, it is lighter than the LST and just a tad easier to maneuver over the shoreline rocks and is a bit more portable than the LST. I usually ride a motorcycle and the Eldo breaks down smaller (less coil cable) and makes a more compact and easier to transport package.
In answer to your question though, yes, the LST is a DEEP detector. I use the LST when I am going to hunt an area with deep sand because the LST will easily reach coin/ring size targets 3 to 5+ inches deeper than the Eldo. It will exceed the 12" mark on my shovel. The LST is also a jewel with the 3x7 concentric coil when hunting a trashy site.
If I had to choose only one to live with it would be the LST but only because its superior performance outweighs (pun intended <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="
"> the lighter weight and compactness of the Eldo.Attached is a photo of the shoreline I hunt and you can see why I don
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Yeah, only found eight gold rings and a gold bracelet this year. One was a nice 10K class ring with two diamonds I returned to the owner in Rose Bud...had been lost for three years.
Beaches are picked clean almost every day and I've gotten tired of spending two hours to find two dimes and a nickel. Too much competition.
Joined Abate and the Blue Knights and spend mucho time wearing the tires off my scoot (on second set now). Put 16,000 miles on it since June '03.
Check my page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1955/
Beaches are picked clean almost every day and I've gotten tired of spending two hours to find two dimes and a nickel. Too much competition.
Joined Abate and the Blue Knights and spend mucho time wearing the tires off my scoot (on second set now). Put 16,000 miles on it since June '03.
Check my page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1955/
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informative post. I considered buying a Lobo, but read that the tracking only works in all-metal, which I never use. Think I'll try the Vaquero, as it is supposed to be quiet and deep.