Monday's Finds and Thursday's Finds

[BH_Landstar_]

The ring was found on Monday, it's silver with 4 stones in it.

All the other items I found today, a silver pendant, and my 3rd 1944 P War Nickel of this year.

The gold looking coin ..... I have no idea on it, it's smaller than a dime, but only just !

 

[sgoss66]

Wow, GREAT hunting BH! The coin is Swiss -- the number on the back tells how many "rappen" it is worth. Love the ring, and the silver pendant is REALLY nice-looking; how did the war nickel ring up VDI-wise?

Steve

 

[BH_Landstar_]

The war nickel came in as a normal nickel @ 58, and was 3" down in the ground.

 

[amberjack]

so whats the verdict on the VDI numbers? size or metal or both combined?

it still gets me thinking? when i get a silver ring coming in same as our mostly copper coins high 70's and a 9K ring about same diameter as a $1 coin same numbers as a $1 coin, God now i am confused

if it sounds nice dig it? seems to be working for me.

AJ

 

[JimGilmore]

Is the ring silver ??
Looks like a butterfly but it also look to be broke..

 

[BH_Landstar_]

Yes, it's silver, has 925 stamp inside the ring, and the ring is not broke.

 

[BH_Landstar_]

so whats the verdict on the VDI numbers? size or metal or both combined?

These are good questions amberjack !

Lets see, How can we tell what the VDI means when its a certain number, whats the logic here that's used ? Is it size ? No, I don't think it's size alone. Could it be the metal ? Yes, it's a possible factor with the size of the object. Here comes the third factor that's possible, it's conductivity, so we have size, metal, and conductivity of that metal which would then give us a number on the screen. I don't think is uses size (how big / small) the object is to much, I think the major logics are with the conductivity of the metal thats seen.

Chopped can slaw (soda can / beer can) that size of a golf ball gives a reading of 58, the same for a nickel, but wait, the chopped up can is much bigger than a nickel, so it's got to be done with condutivity of the metal found that gives back a number. Two coins, both of equal value, on top of each other 4" down, you would think that for example that 2 pennies (both copper) would come in at 82 - 83, this is the reading for a penny thats copper, but wait, they don't give that number, comes in at either 78 - 80 or 84 - 85, it's either side of the real number. Now, is the detector seeing size here ? hmm ! Not sure, I would say contuctivity of the metal found.

Maybe Dave J. can clear this up or Monte.

 

[Ken in Georgia]

BH WTG!!! Good question AJ

 

[amberjack]

are your pennies 100 percent copper? coins i hunt are 92% copper 6% aluminium 2% nickel are 25mm an 20.5mm and come in around 74 and 79 both bigger than your pennies so maybe it is more the metal content if the pennies where not all copper they would come in lower? like if they where the same content as the coins i hunt?

what about bottle tops in the 80's what are they made of ? or flat squashed aluminium tops come in on my coin range 70's but they are aluminium like jack Daniels bottle screw caps they are the same numbers and still trick me it thinking its a coin i am after but here i think the sound tones come in the squashed top is just a little bit scratchy where the coin with smooth edges and conformed size is smoother just.......

like you said the big chunk of can comes in 58 ish but is this where we have to go to sound to here the edges of the target a chopped up can sounds ugly for want of a better word....

i have been disc at 68 just to hunt these coins and learn the sounds and have found a gold 9K and silver ring while doing that, just so i can be confident to disc down some more when i want to and still pick out the good targets, its confusing because i have found some 50 cent coins at the 68 mark and they are much bigger than the other coins but only when the are an inch or so deep, they 75% copper 25% nickel and 31.65mm but to find them deeper they come in the lower 65's so this would support the metal conductivity theory? copper is higher conductivity than nickel ?

i am getting to the point where i am confident to start to disc down so i don't miss any higher karat gold which would support the conductivity again? higher karat lower numbers? this is in tons of trash lots i am talking about.

the more i use this machine the more impressed i am in its ability to find good targets in the junk and its speed which can drive me crazy if not focused on what i am doing but also i think its greatest asset?.

all part of the fun i guess starting to get itchy to hit a gold field to see how it goes on those small bits left behind by the super detectors it will probably be like starting all over again?

now i just have to think of a place to hunt tomorrow and learn a bit more

thanks heaps for the input guys sure helps me learn and i need to know what i am using otherwise i am flying blind and i am sure that isnt how its meant to be so bouncing ideas is important so i can learn so thanks! i know it can be frustrating with coins (clad) being different sizes and metal content but looks like your stuck with me

cheers for the help

AJ

 

[BH_Landstar_]

higher karat gold --- can be any range from 45 - 81 ......... the larger the ring or should I say the more mass (ah, look, back to that size thing again !) the ring / object has, the higher the number will be for gold, but it still might only be 9K or 14K..... I've yet to find an 18K ring

 

[sgoss66]

Guys --

Maybe Dave J. could comment (start a new thread with this question, so he might see it?), but size/shape of a metal object DOES count, in terms of ID. Not sure how the "algorithms" in the machine works, and I'm sure the details are proprietary information, but I do know that the size and shape of an object affect the ID (along with other factors -- "conductivity," etc.)...

Steve

 

[amberjack]

arh he's prob watching us try and work it

like that 9K ring i found it was only jumping from 73 74 but was going off like a machine gun really fast number jumping its why i had a look something to look out for ? needless to say if i see our hear that again i will be looking was it swapping from gold to copper or couldn't it make up it's mind on the size?

i will measure it latter see if its 25mm.

but enough chatter from me nice sunny Saturday 20 degree's C and i am off to look see!

oh before i go does anyone have this experience of little kids following them around? ( park) i feel like the pied Piper sometimes but i try and show them what i am finding give them a good feeling and kids remember good experiences gave one kid 50 cents the other day so he will remember for sure when he gets older about metal detecting maybe hes at home right now hassling Dad for a metal detector another young fella about 4 watched me pop a $1 coin and said "your clever" i laughed and smiled and said thanks mate, kids are funny, well i am just a big kid out having fun finding things

 

[sgoss66]

AJ --

Yes, I have kids follow me around sometimes. I'd say about half the times I go out detecting, I have some curious person come over and ask what I'm doing, what I'm finding, etc. Kids ARE funny. I was out one day, and a bunch of little kids came up and were just barraging me with rapid fire questions "what is that thing" "how does it work" "what do you find" "how do you know when you find something" and on and on. I told them I was mostly finding junk -- they asked if they could have the junk I find. I said sure, and dug them some pull tabs and stuff -- they thought that was the coolest thing. I then hit a shallow quarter ID, and said "watch, now I'll dig up a quarter." I did, and they were amazed! I'm SURE at least one of them bugged his/her dad for a new detector!

Kids are fun. I can identify with all that curiousity and enthusiasm!

Steve

 

[jmaryt]

thus is true!..conductivity,AND "mass" or shape!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

 

[JimGilmore]

I do not mind being watched, or followed by a child or two..But any more than that is a bit of a nuisance. What bothers me most is the misquoting where everybody assumes that there is nothing to find. Because they think in terms of treasure. Surely pirates did not bury a chest in the playground. Or even under a tree in the new park. But many do not realize that the dollar in change and keys that they lost last week were lost at the very same playground or park.

 

[amberjack]

took the words outta my mouth Steve the questions are as fast as the gold bug kids watch treasure movies Jim and have big imaginations and to much energy but they get distracted easy so that's good something else gets their attention pretty fast?

jmaryt its frustrating i listen for sound 1st then check numbers 2nd.

 

[Kevin B.]

Great finds, Congrats!!