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minelab sovereign VS fisher CZ5

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Eric

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I really like to hear what machine would be the better pick on a saltwater beach...........

thanks, Eric.
 
n/t
 
CZ5 will not work on wet salt sand! it will chatter like crazy unless you drop the sentivity way down..all Sovereigns will work great all the way into the water!
 
Hi bling i think you are mistaken in your post , i have a cz6 and it works great in the wet salt water but you have to switch to salt mode ,and away you go,as for which one is the best i reckon they are pretty much equal as i have both and the sov has the wot coil and goes heaps deeper, also the cz has a visible meter identifying the targets ,the sov does not ,also i had a guy tell m,e that minelab came out with the sov after the cz had been out for a while and he thinks there could have been a bit of copying going on back then,who knows eh!!! terry
 
I've used both extensively. The Sov will detect smaller gold in the wet sand. They both get about the same depth, in general, with the same size coil. One thing I discovered long time ago is the the Sov will false like crazy over buried seaweed.

I like both. Just remember that the CZ's will id small gold as iron. There are many ways to get around that.


The Golden Olde
 
Personally I think the CZ6 was probably the best CZ they ever produced. I had one of the first ones out and it was a terrific unit, one of the best things I'd ever used on a saltwater beach. I could use mine in salt mode with discrimination and it worked flawlessly. I have tried a few CZ's since then and it seems to me that the best way to use them is in all metal mode and then switching to discriminate when you hit a target otherwise they chatter too much. But maybe that's just been my experience and others have had better luck. If I had to choose between the Sov GT and a new CZ right now I would choose the Sov. In fact, I did. But now I'm thinking about trying a PI unit because of sand build up and wanting some extra depth when I need it.
Jerry
 
I had the 6a which WAS the best CZ with all the features of the 6 but no problems with flying leads/non standard coil connectors.
I to moved over to the Sovereign for where the sheer amount of rubbish makes it to much work to use a P.I. but there were beach sites where the CZ could beat the Sovereign. In some areas beach mode did not perform and it was better to use the land mode (though on wet salt) and ground balance the detector. This gave better results but had the drawback that directly you started to dig a target out the hole would give a signal.
Some would switch back to the salt mode but I tended to concentrate on correctly pinpointing then would take out several spadefulls of sand amd hopefully get the target out without the need to further sweep the hole.
In general the Sovereign is a better bet for ease of use/coil selection/cheapness of repairs.
 
[quote doindadiggin]Hi bling i think you are mistaken in your post , i have a cz6 and it works great in the wet salt water but you have to switch to salt mode ,and away you go,as for which one is the best i reckon they are pretty much equal as i have both and the sov has the wot coil and goes heaps deeper, also the cz has a visible meter identifying the targets ,the sov does not ,also i had a guy tell m,e that minelab came out with the sov after the cz had been out for a while and he thinks there could have been a bit of copying going on back then,who knows eh!!! terry[/quote] did you read the post? he didn't ask about the CZ6,he ask about the CZ5 and the CZ5 doesn't come close to the performance of the Sovereign in salt sand.
 
Hey Bling,

I had a CZ-20 that I used a few years back and was able to set the sensitivity at '8' and it ran smooth as silk. Maybe you had a defective unit?

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The Golden Olde
 
John, in Florida, The CZ-20 is made for underwater and for salt beaches. I know NOTHING of the CZ-5 but I suspect it isn't made for beaches at all. If it doesn't have a beach mode I am sure it will be a problem for him. Just MHO!!
 
[quote John, in Florida]Hey Bling,

I had a CZ-20 that I used a few years back and was able to set the sensitivity at '8' and it ran smooth as silk. Maybe you had a defective unit?

Click here for Norm's website:

The Golden Olde[/quote] i have a CZ20 and CZ21 and they both work great in salt sand...its the CZ5 they were talking about!
 
Bling,
The CZ-20 is just a waterproof CZ-5 with 2 major differences: The CZ20 is in permanent Salt Mode and it takes 4 batteries instead of two. Other than that the circuits are exactly the same. Many folks, including myself, have used the CZ-5 on salt water beaches without falsing......
 
Cz 20 and the CZ 5,6,6a are all the same machine with the exception that the 20 is in a waterproof box for diving and has double the batteries for extended battery life (no extra depth).
The 20 has less ability out of the water with less adjustments, no meter and its locked in salt water mode which is not good if you should want to use it on land.
A major drawback is the inability to change coils. Plus more expensive to buy in the first place and repairs are far more expensive.
 
i had 2 CZ5's and they were great detectors,i now have an Excal1000,a Sovereign GT,a CZ20 and a CZ21..i find that the Excal and the CZ20 & CZ21 are about the same in depth both work well in salt water,but none of them come close to the depth of my Sovereign GT & S12 coil..i find dimes at 15" on a regular basis with the GT.the other 3 might go 10" to 12" on there best day.and the Fisher's cant find Gold under a nail like the Minelab's can.with the Iron mask.i wish all beach hunters used non Minlabs.LOL! don't get me wrong,I'm an old Fisher lover going back to the 1960's .and of the over 100 detectors iv owned 70% were Fisher's .i just think they are 1 step behind in technology.
 
So what that the question was about the 5. No practical difference, discrim. or depth between 5,6 or 6a except that the 6 versions are more practical for beach use being rain and sand proof and not likely to cost any more than the CZ5.
Nice collection of rings by the way.
 
Have you found the GT to have better depth than the previous Sov models?
 
[quote John, in Florida]Have you found the GT to have better depth than the previous Sov models?[/quote] John of the 5 Sovereing's iv owned i see no diff in depth with stock coil. i put a WOT 15" on and got about 3" more depth and more coverage.then i put on the NEW S12 (much lighter) and same depth as the WOT..about 15" on a clad dime.i do like the GT better than the others but as far as depth i see no diff. but i have talked to long time Sovereign users that say the GT is about 2" deeper. good luck!
 
On your CZ20 and 21, are you running the 8 inch or 10 inch coils when comparing ? . Also, have you ever used one of the Sunray 12 inch coils on one of your CZ5's ? I got one on my 6a and that sucker goes pretty deep on the beach. I think I am getting more depth and better sensitivity to smaller targets that my Excal 1000.

Still...I use the Excal more due to it being waterproof.

Thanks
 
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