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Minelab service centers

Champ Ferguson

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Since my last post was deleted (an unnamed member hinted to me that it didn't apply to the thread I posted in), I will post it as a standalone and let the community decide.

I see that Minelab has a list of their worldwide service centers posted at this link: http://www.minelab.com/customer-care/service-support

Notice how there are 2 service centers in Russia, while only 1 in North America. (note that the one that appears to be in NV is actually in ..... Portugal? Guess they just listed it in the wrong place.

I wonder how many Minelabs there are in Russia compared to North America?
 
And your point is what?

Minelab has stated that improving service and support through ASC's is a top priority. The fact that Kellyco who does handle their service in the US is backed up is simply a fact of life and while efforts are being made to correct the condition, it is taking time.

Does the number of service centers make a difference? If there are 10 technicians in one center and 1 in 10 centers, does that mean Minelab "cares" more about the area that has 10?

The end goal should be how quickly units can be serviced and returned. If it was as easy as renting a building and hiring a few technicians, it would have already been done. Training, inventory, etc. are factors that are taking the time but I for one would rather see it done right so that machines are serviced properly and in a timely fashion than getting them turned around in days and having to send it back for a sub-par repair.

Again, not sure what the number of service centers tells anyone and in reality, the US is NOT the world's largest detector market anymore . . . when you go to a normal rally in the UK or Europe and there are 500+ hunters, that sort of puts things in perspective. Get 100 here and it is considered a large hunt.

Andy
 
Let me spell my point out clearly since you've missed it; and remember that you asked me for it:

- Minelab is talking a good game but I see no action after well over a year. And even before the terrible death of the KC tech, repair backups were common. Industry leading companies stay ahead of problems- they don't react to them.

-There seems to be a greater ratio of repair centers to detectors in Russia (well actually about everywhere in the world) than in North America. I suspect that there are more ML machines in the hands of detectorists in North America than in Russia. I'd love to see data on this subject but doubt it exists.

Ask anyone who has waited months for a repair and see if they think this is a serious talking point.

- ML is getting terrible press in the community and it is costing them sales. Personally I have put off buying a SDC2300 because of this issue. And if someone comes out with a reasonable substitute for that machine before ML gets their S together, ML will lose my sale. I don't want it that way- look at my sig. I'm as close as it gets to being a ML fanboy. Heck last we spoke you were predominately swinging a XP instead of a ML.


I get that youre a dealer and have to toe the party line and talk the party goodspeak. No fault there. But don't think you can tell us all is well and seriously expect us to believe it.


edited to add some math:
Russia: 2 centers, minimum 1 tech each
NAmerica: 1 center that does other brands also, 2 techs
lets stay with real numbers and away from ones like "10"
 
You ask "and your point is what"? His point is quite obvious...and you reiterated it "Minelab has stated that improving service and support through ASC's is a top priority."
I think his point is that they have stated it again and again for years. However they have failed to perform.
I do not think that the number of attendees at an event in England or other European countries is an indicator of how many sales take place. Getting around in the UK and Europe is like traveling on the east coast or the west coast....it is not spread out and as difficult to get to an event in those countries. as it is in the US. The combined population of Florida and California exceeds that of Italy, which has its own SC.....referring back to Russia...it has half the population of the US....assuming the same percentage of Russians as Americans buy detectors, it would seem that Minelab would need more SCs in the US to meet its warranty obligations.....or start listening to its customers to avoid repeat problems that require attention.

For many years Mineab has dominated with its electronics, and despite problems years ago (leaking coils on excaliburs, shoddy shafts on Explorers for instance) the repair people back then were quite responsive and sensitive to customer complaints and how Minelab was perceived. I think that as Minelab's patents expire some other company that does concern itself with the people who support them will take the throne.
 
Maybe they are loading a 20 ft container here in the US and then waits for it to be filled and then shipped to Russia for the repairs. I am sure the labor is a lot cheaper. Just a thought.
 
Do Minelab PI detectors go to Kellyco for repair now? Previously they were sent to Chandler, Arizona?
 
Hi everyone -- Please know I can guarantee we have plans in progress to ease repair time and deliver the service you expect from Minelab. I know this does not help your current repairs or previous repairs, but we are listening and we are fixing it. I deeply apologize for the delay. You can always email us at service@minelabamericas.com if you have any questions.
 
Jamie we are extremely frustrated that it took Minelab Management a full year to wake up to the fact that Kellyco could not handle the load and was taking upwards of 4 months to repair a machine.

Six months ago we were told that Management was aware of the problem and planned to have the problems solved by Mid Summer. Well we are still waiting for any sort of solution and so far we see absolutely nothing happening.

If Minelab intends to keep our business action Must be taken and taken quickly. In the past six months technicians could have been trained and in place. ( Oh I forgot Training costs Money which it appears that Kellyco and Minelab are not willing to spend) So it does not appear to me that we are going to hear anything but promises.

As one who worked in retail for 14 years I am very aware that Good Customer Service drives sales and Poor Customer Service drives sales down the street.

Kellyco and Minelab are not even coming close to providing good customer service. In fact the customer service when it comes to repairs is the worst I have ever seen by any manufacturer. .
 
George...As far as I know Jamie has been at the forefront of ongoing communication and she is one link. I get the frustration. It's like having a Ferrari but you can't get the oil changed. In this case, there is no " down the street", IMHO. Minelabs ARE the street. I look at what I'm using(EX2,CTX). I see what you're using. I'm not in any hurry to go to a lesser machine unless I'm dragged, kicking and screaming.
Let's put some other reasonable suggestions forward to help iron out the issues. That would help everyone.
 
MLA Jamie said:
Hi everyone -- Please know I can guarantee we have plans in progress to ease repair time and deliver the service you expect from Minelab. I know this does not help your current repairs or previous repairs, but we are listening and we are fixing it. I deeply apologize for the delay. You can always email us at service@minelabamericas.com if you have any questions.


Jamie, Thank You for posting in this and other threads. I am truly rooting for ML to slay this problem decisively for now and the future. But we have been hearing talk like this for quite some time now and seeing no hard results so try to understand our skepticism. It really doesn't take months to build a website sales page, tho I do understand that planning for that page can take seemingly forever in some corporate environments.

imo, the selling of parts, yes even critical proprietary parts like replacement boards, would be a step in the right direction for the folks with the skills to do their own repairs. Or even for some independent repair facilities if they didn't have to pay consumer prices for the parts. That could actually be the best of both worlds; consumers get the parts and plenty of shops to choose from to do the work and ML gets deniability on the repairs if the job is botched. Let the marketplace decide who is best- Capitalism 101. You may even end up selling lots more machines due to botched repair jobs. Or someone may come up with something Really Neat when they have spare parts to experiment with (I'm thinking along the lines of OBN's Excal pinpoint mod). And as to the (non) issue of competitors getting their hands on the secret stuff.....well, we all know if they want to do that they just buy the machine and tinker away.

I for one don't mind paying top dollar for the best, but Customer Service has to at least be average to keep me as a customer. George is spot on; "Good Customer Service drives sales and Poor Customer Service drives sales down the street". What good is a machine that spends months and months sitting in the shop? Better to have a Deus or CZ(pi) that can be quickly back in action that any number of CTXs in the shop. Anyway, Jamie/Minelab; I wish you the very best and hope this is all a bad memory soon. I want to brag on my machines again without adding a disclaimer re servicing.


I did not intend for this to be a bash ML thread and was only pulled in that direction when challenged. I am truly curious about the # of ML machines in Russia if anyone knows anything.
 
Jamie...I think that the point being made is that what is expected from Minelab is just lip service and poor customer relations...that is what we have become accustomed to....not bashing ML...you have the best electronics..I have been using them for almost 25 years...... but after spending top dollar for a unit, the warranty service should be less than the horrible experience that it has become. There has been more than adequate time for the company to remedy this problem.
Champ's suggestion of making parts available would spawn an industry of repair and modification shops, and do it yourselfers.
There are many of us who have been using Minelab products for years and have made suggestions on how the machines could be vastly improved....not even technical stuff..just hardware...it has historically fallen on deaf ears...that Minelab has not snatched up someone like OBN for ideas and insight is proof that the company is blind to its customer base....At one time we paid a lot for a machine, then a lot for repairs...now we just pay a lot for a machine that fails quickly and cannot even pay to get it fixed.
What would be nice from Minelab is what we do not expect..and that would be an honest effort on Minelab's part....I think ML has to wake up and admit that it has either not been truthful, or that it has just not made the effort....too bad if this sounds harsh....it's just the way that it is
 
I sent my Explorer XS in for repair here:

Steve Cox
MSR
46 Windsor Avenue
Sutton
Surrey
SM3 9RX

mservicer@virginmedia.com

Yes, it's a long way to send a detector but they are good and they are fast. They are a Minelab repair center. Kellyco is trying to fix their backlog.
So if you need your repair done NOW and get your detector back quickly, well, now you know where to go.
 
Again, it is the Minelab Repair Center or Authorized Repair Center East, also known as "ASC East' physically located at Kellyco.


Minelab sales are not be driven down, in fact Minelab's 2016 sales was up 35% over 2015 as shown below.


Straight from Codan's annual report for 2016.

"Minelab revenue increased 35% to $99.2 million and segment contribution increased 55% to $29.8 million." http://codan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/27-2016-Codan-Annual-Report-23.09.2016.pdf


Minelab still makes the best detectors on the market.


Repair center works on non-supported ML detectors the other centers would no longer work on, a major advantage to owners of the older detectors.

Repair center has to wait on parts at times so that adds to the back log as many times spare parts are unavailable in the states.



Owners could also help reduce the back log as reported by my contacts at the repair center,

1. Stop using non waterproof detectors in the water, sooner or later your going to trip, drop it or get hit by a wave.

2. If your going to hunt wet salt beaches use an environmental cover, there is salt in the air that will get inside the detectors through the speaker openings and through the switches and start corroding your pcb and switches..

3. Stop sending in "everything but the kitchen sink" when you send in your detector. Repair center reports many owners send in everything that came with their detector, paying extra shipping for accessories they don't need to send. You don't need to send them the shafts to excals, xterras, sovereigns. If you have an issue call and find out what you need to send in. Example, If your screen on your 3030 is bad you don't need to send in the entire detector, just the upper handle that holds the screen. Put it in a smaller box when you ship it, don't ship the original box. They have to inventory every item sent in with every detector, that takes a lot of time.

4. Today's detectors are not like yesterdays detectors, they are basically computers that detect, don't treat it like it is a shovel and just throw it in the back of the truck, treat it like a computer. Dave says they get detectors that like they have been thrown around and dragged behind a truck through the mud.

5. Clean your detectors, especially the water detectors. On excals put them in the shower and let the hot water wash off the salt residue, spay the cables with silicone spray like McNitt Silicone spray regularly, it is an UV inhibitor and will help protect the cables. On 3030s clean them, disconnect the coil cable and remove the lower shaft and wash the upper and lower shaft out to remove the salt and especially the sand, it is a carbon fiber shaft, sand will sand the shaft down over time causing it to slip even with new pressure blocks. When installing coils on 3030, look for the connector key, it belongs at the top, if it is anywhere else your going to bend and break a pin in the connector.

6. On excals don't mount them on waist belts or chest mounts, it causes shorts in the cables over time and since you cant replace the cables that means your buying a new coil and or headphones and paying labor to have them mounted.

7. Get a tracking number when you ship and save it, use it to track when your detector was delivered, every time someone calls to ask them if they received your detector they have to go search for it which takes time, may not seem like much to some people but multiply 10 to 15 mins x 10-15 times a day and they are spending hours checking what could be found by just checking your tracking number.

8. Dave in the repair center says they constantly get detectors in with no notes in the box, no names, phone numbers or description of the problems.
 
Although pretty informative, there is nothing to indicate that their increased sales took place in the US, in fact it looks like their detector sales increase was in Africa where Minelab has gained more use in gold mining....aside from the fact that this company's sales are not only derived from the sales of detectors, but radio equipment, engineering services and other electronic products.

You do bring up valid points about people sending everything in with the machine and it gums up the works...but some of the points you bring up exemplify the overall Minbelab problem...the subject of chest mounting excaliburs..I have 3 excaliburs....the newest is from about 1998 the oldest is from about '94...horseshoe coil...I was made aware early on that chest or waist mounting could cause a problem so I never did do it....but I know of some Fishers and Whites that are even older than mine, have always been waist or chest mounted and never in all that time had a problem...you state that the repair center has to wait for parts....if it were a dedicated center it would have the parts in inventory and not have to wait...and a lot of the problems are not something new...a deficiency becomes apparent...a design flaw.......it is unfortunate, but the proper way for the company to head off bad service once a repeat problem is recognized is to ANTICIPATE and have the parts available in the States...there is no excuse for not having replacement parts to repair faulty machines in the repair center, especially for a problem that has been recognized and acknowledged.

You suggest "Get a tracking number when you ship and save it, use it to track when your detector was delivered, every time someone calls to ask them if they received your detector they have to go search for it which takes time, may not seem like much to some people but multiply 10 to 15 mins x 10-15 times a day and they are spending hours checking what could be found by just checking your tracking number". ...how does that help prevent a detector from sitting around for over 3 months in the shop? Additionally, if the machines were fixed and returned in an acceptable time frame...no one would be calling to ask that question....what happens is someone has a tracking# that indicates that the machine has been delivered and the person does not hear anything for so long he thinks the tracking information is wrong, so he calls to ask.

Minelab's products have historically had a reputation of breaking easily. But years ago when the Service Center was in upstate NY and then in Las Vegas, you could send it in, and usually pay a lot, but Dick or Mark would call you ...actually get to know you by name, tell you the problem, how much it would be and provide quick turnaround.

I don't know what your interest is in deflecting the negative attention being brought upon Minelab, and you can defend them all you want. The perception that it seems the majority of people have of them is not good, and the facts and customer's experiences speak volumes.

For now, it would seem that Minelab has an edge with electronics...they have for years, and that is what has allowed them to get away with their poor service and customer relations but the other companies are catching up and Minelab's patent protections are going to expire and someone else will eventually fill the void.
 
I'm hoping all this is put in the past.
I had a warranty issue with my 3030 and its was repaired and returned in short order.
I'm hoping in the future when it's out of warranty that if repair work is needed it will be just as fast.
I love the machine and have no intentions of changing to anything else.
I'm pulling for Minelab , I think they have heard the cries and the fix is coming.
I've heard improvements are on the way soon from another reliable source

BT
 
Excusws Excuses Excuses. We get loots and lots of excuses but danged little action There is absolutely no excuse for being down a minimum of one repairman for nearly a year and a half.

Kellyco could have had someone trained and working long before now if they had been serious about taking care of their customers. They give themselves and Minelab both a lousy reputation.


I have been told by a Very reliable gentleman that the Repair Center belongs lock stock and barrel to Kellyco. I will continue to believe that gentleman. He also stated that Minelab pays Kellyco for the Warranty work that they do. Yes it is an authorized repair center but the center does not BELONG to Minelab.
 
I have an etrac and CTX that are both used hard and off warranty and I just consider them to be essentially irreparable if they stop working. the cost and time from the reports I have read in the US make it simply easier to buy another used or switch machines. The service situation here has devolved to the point they are basically an expensive throw away item after the warranty period and a potential long term PITA if warranty is used. The excuses offered above are simply an attempt to deflect blame to the customer , a blame the victim strategy.

I certainly have the funds to purchase their new $4000 "hobby" machine in a couple of weeks , but the service situation in the US , and Minelabs lack of a trouble free introduction history would certainly make one pause.
 
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