Mexican Plate?

[Blind Squirrel]

Howdy--

I dug this plate a few years ago on an old Texas trail and have run into a dead end trying to positively identify it. It appears to be of brass composition and weighs 41.4 grams. I've included scans of both sides. I dug several spent percussion caps in the immediate vicinity of this find. There was a lot of shooting going on. About 50 yards from this find, I also dug a U.S. Officer's sword belt plate (1851-1874) with a lot of spent Spencer brass. I've often wondered if they were shooting at each other or if it's just coincidental? Anyway, if anyone has an idea as to the year of manufacture or where or how this plate was worn, I would be very appreciative! Many thanks! Best of luck and...

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Blind Squirrel

 

[Dave~UT]

Sorry, can't help with this. Just wanted to say that's a pretty neat find. Hope you get some info.

 

[goldnugget]

Very Nice--Have you tried a Mexican Plate Search-Very Interesting Find-goldnugget-Charlotte.North Carolina

 

[Blind Squirrel]

Thanks Dave~IL. Sooner or later, I'll have it identified. I'm sure of it! Best of luck and...

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Blind Squirrel

 

[Blind Squirrel]

Thanks Goldnugget. Yes. I have tried searching "Mexican Military Buckles" I haven't had any luck. Often the search results are in Spanish - a language that I , alas, do not understand. Best of luck and...

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Blind Squirrel

 

[chuck ky]

don't know much about relics but if its a plate there would have been another piece that locked in the opening. it could also be a fob or something that had a ribbon hanging on it. good luck

 

[brianc577]

Definetly a buckle, there where similar pattern ones used in Europe. It did have another similar piece with a hook. Nive find

 

[Blind Squirrel]

Chuck, KY--

I believe that you are correct in that this plate is not complete. There had to have been more to it. Believe me, I've gone back to that area and searched with different coils and program settings. My main obstacles are cactus and mesquite. It's a pretty thick area. I always bleed for my relics - literally. Thanks for your input. Best of luck and...

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Blind Squirrel

 

[Blind Squirrel]

Howdy Brianc577--

You are right. In addition to the European patterns the United States Army in the 1830's used a 2 piece sword belt plate. The 2 pieces were joined by an S shaped hook. Here is an example. My find could be a Mexican version of this style? I'd love to find the other half and determine its age. Thanks for your input. Best of luck and...

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Blind Squirrel

 

[senda]

Nice buckle.
I noticed a small symbol at the top which does not distinguish well in the picture and looks like a Friesian cap, which appears in the coats of arms of various countries, Argentina, Honduras, El Salvador ... Rep has considered the possibility that either from a country other than Mexico? And the bird, does it not seem to have a very long neck to be an eagle? I think I saw some USA CW button with a swan, but not sure ...
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[Blind Squirrel]

Hello Senda--

Thanks you for your response. I believe that this item is Mexican. There is a cap above the eagle's head and the eagle is biting a serpent. I've seen similar designs on Mexican coins that I have dug. On the banner, I can make out the word "Mexicana". I apologize for the poor scan. Because of wear and corrossion I'm afraid that's the best that I can do. Oh, Senda, by the way, the long necked bird that you saw on the CSA Civil War Buttons were probably from the State of Louisiana and the bird is a pelican.

Back to the buckle. I would love to be able to date this item. I believe that it is old and possibly was worn by a Mexican soldier in the Texas War of Independence. Thank you for your input. Best of luck and...

Happy Hunting!
Blind Squirrel

 

[senda]

Thanks for the info, I do not see the pic either. I'm looking for something in Spanish, and ...I hope it's a Mexican soldier.
Senda