METER,,,WHY

[bustercrab]

WHY DOES ANYONE NEED OR RELY ON A METER FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE.WHEN PROSPECTING,NO USE FOR A METER,WATER HUNTING,NO USE FOR A METER,RELIC HUNTING,NO USE FOR A METER.SO YOU GO OUT AND BUY A $700 MACHINE TO LOOK FOR COINS AND LOOK AT A METER TO SEE IF IT IS A PENNY.LET'S HEAR THE WISE CRACKS.

 

[duggr]

Heres a little test I did some time back. I had two silver half
dollars and took one and simply destroyed it with a hammer.I beat it
to a point it was completely distorted, almost folded in half and then some. The Point is that my Target ID read the normal silver half with a locked on response in the Half range like it should but the half dollar that I beat and disfigured would not lock on to any Consistent reading, it jumped around all over the meter even though the audio was just as good on one target as the other.......Although I beleive if you want to have the Most Finds as well as the best, use no discrimination and dig it all.......

 

[Steve(MS)]

Any reasoning along this line can be carried to the extreme. Like why do you need a discriminator? It will not always be reliable no? Might as well get a deep seeking PI and head out and did every signal. Time is precious to us all. If someone wants to buy the most expensive detector with all the bells and whistles what is that to me? We all have to make "educated guesses" based on how our detector is responding to a given signal whether we have a meter or not? It may be cheaper to buy coins and relics rather than trying to find them?

 

[Digger]

I'd probably be using my Advantage even more! HH Randy

 

[clondike clad]

Meter is a tool and only a tool.
If time is very short a meter can heLP find more goodies fast.
With out the meter my XL PRO will still be one of my best detectors.



I CAN FIND THINGS WITH THIS.
Metal detecting is fun and only fun for me.

 

[Monte]

any visual Target ID display is not needed.

"WHY DOES ANYONE NEED OR RELY ON A METER FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE."... They should never "RELY" on it to tell them exactly what a target might be. While visual TID isn't really a "NEED" it can certainly be a "WANT" for the casual coin hunter.

"WHEN PROSPECTING,NO USE FOR A METER"... Yep, quite correct. No need for discrimination when you're looking for those tiny gold nuggets.

"WATER HUNTING,NO USE FOR A METER"... Yep, you got it right again. No use for any discrimination when the highly desired gold jewelry is sought, or when many coins and other targets are often located beyond the depth of any accurate TID.

"RELIC HUNTING,NO USE FOR A METER"[... For the third time in a row you've correctly selected an application where an avid searcher of "relics" has no nee for discrimination, or perhaps only enough discrimination to deal with scattered iron nails.

"SO YOU GO OUT AND BUY A $700 MACHINE TO LOOK FOR COINS AND LOOK AT A METER TO SEE IF IT IS A PENNY."... TID (Target ID) is simply a suggested reference to a particular item, and most know that it is only functional to a limited amount of the overall detection depth.

Personally, I prefer the term used by White's Electronics, which is VDI. VDI stands for Visual Discrimination Indicator and provided, usually, more information than just a suggestion as to a possible coin type. The most important word in 'VDI' is DISCRIMINATION.

TID/VDI is simply a separate way that discrimination information is conveyed to use. As such, I use TID/VDI readings as a tool to confirm an audio response as being something that I would prefer to ignore/reject/discriminate.

I do NOT use TID/VDI info to confirm a 'guess' as to a located target's potential, but rather to help me make the Dig/No-Dig decision. Remember, these high-dollar detector models were made for about 75%-90% of the detector users who are strictly coin shooters or most often chasing coins. Searching all the everyday-use-sites that are also littered with everyday-trash.

Digger's been using a reference of late alluding to the encouragement to dig most targets for success. This falls right in line with the term I have preached for over 2

 

[clondike clad]

Well said..........

 

[Steve(MS)]

dig it up to find out what it is, so in a sense even though one has used all his skills to size up a target, get an idea of the depth,etc, yes it is an educated guess to what the item will be...not only is the meter not accurate all the time, tone id will not always be accurate, not only that but motion detection as we now have it is not always accurate so my point is if one wants to get really "pure", he needs to abandon all those aids and go to all-metal non-motion or get a PI and dig every iron giblet and everything else. Otherwise, I think this whole discussion is nonsense. Tone-ID,Meters, and motion detection are aids that if used wisely can be helpful, anyone who has models that have tone id and/or meter and claims they never use them, well I know better than that. I use both metered and non-metered units so I see this as nonsense. If this is about high price meter models, 200 dollar metered units are available. If this is about all meter equipped units, then this once again we are going down the "purist" road. Those that claim the meter or tone id is of no use shouldn't even own a model that has those features or the flip switches, oh, by the way, don't thumb that disc knob while you are at it

 

[Digger]

Regardless of the make or model, I don't "use" visual TID to make the determination as to dig or not. But, I do find comfort in the fact that the TID can provide some very useful information. For example, on the XLPro, I don't typically look for where the needle has landed. Frankly I don't care if I am about to dig a dime or a quarter. But, I do look for a subtle deflection to the left, while passing over it with the trigger pulled. 99% of the time, when it shows a slight deflection, it will be a deeply buried piece of trash, regardless of what the TID chart in the background said it was while in the GEB Disc mode.
I have been able to "hear" those same findings when using a couple of my non-metered detectors. Particularly the Advantage. While still in Disc mode, sweep the coil over the target as fast as you can. If it breaks up or loses consistency, it will likely be a target that I wasn't particularly hunting for. HH Randy

 

[david bull]

I use my meter to determine if targets to the left(below zero)are worth digging by checking the depth.If they indicate a shallow target with no vdi,I usually pass.If they indicate a deep target I'll go ahead and check to see what they are.I usually hunt smaller jewelry.DBULL

 

[a4wdguy]

If you don't want a meter, then don't get one. I don't question your choices, or explain mine to you.

 

[thebeatmachine]

n/t

 

[Bugalooob]

On the 6000 di pro the meter tells me if a coin is silver or not, lets me cherry pick parks : )