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Metal Detecting: Beach Testing The New Garrett "AT MAX" Metal Detector:detecting:

"That's a FUN video!

I'd love to be there with them to try the MAX but especially for the PIZZA n' beer (don't really care for Peroni but hey, when in Rome, do as the Romans do! Hah, see what I did there...but they're not in Rome but you get my drift Lol....)
 
Beach test? Looked more like 12 minutes of non stop chatter to me. It runs quiet on wet salty sand. Big deal, I've had several single frequency machines I can could make run quiet in those conditions. Doesn't mean they were good.
 
RichW said:
Beach test? Looked more like 12 minutes of non stop chatter to me. It runs quiet on wet salty sand. Big deal, I've had several single frequency machines I can could make run quiet in those conditions. Doesn't mean they were good.
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I totally agree.

In my experience, single frequency units have there limits no matter what enhancements have been added.
But I do like the other added features this unit brings to the table. Should be great in freshwater.
 
It may do well in salt compared to previous versions. Everybody likes to say ' Single frequency machines don't work in salt water'. Instead of parroting things said on forums I would point out some single freq machines such as the CZ 21 or any of the Detectorpro machines that do pretty well in salt water. Now, are they the BEST out there? No. Nor is this or any AT, by definition-'AT'. I'm kinda scratching my head at so many people who seems to want to downgrade a machine they've never even seen. Much like the release of the original AT. That machine went on into glory I'd say! I'll be adding one to my arsenal but it won't replace my dedicated machines and I'll have zero complaints about that.
 
I have yet to use a single frequency machine that can cancel out Black sand and salt together in the surf. It's not going to happen.
Use it in the West coast saltwater beaches that have blacksand.
Like I stated earlier...the AT Max will be a great freshwater machine.
 
You're correct that single frequency machines won't handle heavy black sand along with seawater. That does not mean an AT will not work in saltwater anywhere-Florida being a great example. The CZ is single frequency in operation, it has two frequencies that you can choose from. All I'm saying here is everybody wants to discuss what can or can't, will or won't, as if they've somehow been immensely let down. It is what it is. When I need the big gun at the beach I have my CTX, out west it's my SDC. But I know I can use the AT in both scenarios in the places I go because I have already, or have been with those who have also. Just sounds like a lot of complaining going on.
 
Yes and don't forget the 1280. I've got no problems with the AT series. I've owned the Pro and wish I hadn't sold it. I was disappointed in the Garrett video. What a great test site that would have been, Wet salt with a lot of trash. That's what many of us hunt in. All we see is a shallow can and a fishing weight without seeing the machine in action. I'm hoping the ATMAX is "good" in salt water. If it's almost as good as an Excel, or almost as good as a CZ-21 I'll buy one. Hopefully we'll be seeing some good demonstrations of it being used in salt water in the next few months.
 
I am only talking about west coast where i live and hunt. I love my AT Gold for freshwater.
And my CZ21 and CZ3D use both frequencies simultaneously. I can't pick 5 kHz or 15 kHz seperately with those.
 
I think it's called having a discussion. Maybe I've overlooked a few posts but I haven't seen anyone "bashing" the machine. Disappointments are fairly common when new machines are released.
 
I would argue on the CZ being able to run two frequencies at once, the Minelabs don't even do that according to books I've read on FBS, BBS, etc. Even the 'king' CTX is only running one frequency that it chooses based on ground conditions. I'm just more of a wait and see or give it a try kind of person than a can't or won't on things I haven't tried. As long as we're discussing though, I'd like to see a folding waterproof VLF that discriminates and has response time as good as the AT. As it goes, as soon as I get my hands on the Max it's rod will be hacked apart and mostly trashed. Can't do anything with that big control box though, wish they'd made that smaller... Back to the beach though, I wonder how the added ground balance features will contribute to salt water performance?
 
Even the Minelab machines with FBS, BBS struggle with some minerals......PI's usually perform best, but they too can struggle. There is no magic machine which does it all. Even with a PI punching through some ban soil, you lose your typical VLF discrimination.
 
Quite true! I will correct myself somewhat on the multi frequency issue to reference harmonic frequencies. All that really means is one frequency is strongest and others are basically a weak field. In that case you would have multiple frequencies being used, however, if only one is dominant...then the ability to balance must somehow come into play? Which goes back to wondering what Garrett did with the GB on the Max and how it will benefit users. I plan to test it!
 
Minelab's and the cz's are both true multi frequency metal detectors. Both simultaneously transmit and process two frequencies, which I don't think are harmonics. Minelab might claim more. Of course there are harmonics to those frequencies, but they are not used by the detector.
 
That can be debated on Minelab's forum, although an oscilloscope will tell the tale.
 
For S&G's I looked at Andys book on the CTX and yes, my understanding was incorrect on the frequencies-the FBS selects a set of frequencies based on the ground. Now, I'm still hoping that the expanded GB function of the Max will give it extra capability. It'll be a couple months before we really find out! I'll be in the goldfields and back again before I get mine so that test will wait till my next trip.
 
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