Memories

[Papa Bear]

I started detecting back in the late sixties with a Heathkit all metal machine that I built. Had a ball, dug a lot of trash along with the good stuff. I quickly learned to read it pretty well and could dig fast being young with strong back and weak mind. (I still have the last part)Time passed and the first discriminators appeared. Magic! They got fair depth, were hell to keep ground balanced and eliminated most trash. Soon the first "motion" detectors appeared. More magic. Automatic ground balance, great depth and an ever growing list of bells and whistles. Now as I think back, it seems that the problem with false signals (especially on iron) first showed up with the "motion" detectors. I don't recall the older non motion machines having this problem. Hoping some of you old timers can help confirm this and maybe the mfrs. can take another look at the older designs if true? Food for thought. Cheers

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Older detectors without the bells and whistles were heavy, didn't go deep but did have more audio variances. I think over the years we all have become meter dependant and indeed many oldies but goodies let us know right away if it was iron..With notches, tone ID and meters influenced by junk am sure many goodies are left in the ground...Surprising as many old timers still use oldies, but do very well....

 

[Papa Bear]

Right you are Dan. Sometimes I miss those old machines. I am pretty sure they did not false on iron like the modern motion machines do. If that is the case, why can't the engineers provide a way to disable the motion circuits with a spring loaded toggle switch in order to better ID those iffy iron bounce targets? It would be similar to switching from auto to manual ground balance. I put this on the CZ classroom forum because of the "nail grabber" reputation. Maybe some of the Rocket Scientists are listening?

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Seems to me we are back to square one as along with the dual frequencies and super depth come a liking for deep super rusty nails..Several major manufacturers machines stutter or cackle on iron but don't have the depth. I like the idea of a toggle to perhaps switch to a like mode when one needs it. I am sure Fisher reads the forum. For what its worth I feel the newest CZ3D and CZ70 have been tinkered with to handle iron better than older CZ's. With time and patience and reading Mikes CZ page after a while you will dig very few nails, but we all get fooled now an then..