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Matt, Here is the culprit in the iron belt of Va.

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woodchiphustler

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I cut my teeth relic hunting this area with every model and type of detector know to man. Most people believe the red dirt is the cause. They are all wrong because the whole geography has red dirt. Some of it is not bad ground at all. However the bedrock in this area is enriched with iron. So much so I discovered white being involved in testing and developement of a certain pulse detector that this type of detector works as if this bedrock is not even present. To prove my theory I have offered a friendly challenge to all VLF and multi freq users. Discriminate out a small piece of iron. Ground balance the bedrock. Place the minnie ball on top or under this small rock. Now try to get a good hit in discriminate. Never has been done. Several new detectors out now. My Deus can not do it. I have offered a challenge to the "Tool" from Bulgaria as relic hunters from the area race to order one. The ETrac could not do this. Maybe the CTX will??? So far no takers. Best regards , George Kinsey
 
That is exactly what we face - Atlanta (north Georgia) has red clay and that in and of itself causes fites for many detectors but as I said in the post on hot ground, the iron matrix and the rocks itself in specific areas make them almost unhuntable with all but the PI's (and without getting into the PI discussion, we are talking the GPX, TDI or Infinium).

In the hunt with a CtX 3030 - and accepting that none of us had the run time we do on our favorite machines - it suffered the same way as the E-Trac and others did. We tried the AUTO+3, Ground Balance, etc. and no luck . . . . . . there will be areas where a specific detector simply can't haandle the conditions and that is why testing one in YOUR area is teh best option when buying something that can cost as much as a used car would.

I have tried the same test with a rock on a bullet and have yet to find a non-PI that would pass with any degree of success.

For those that have not found themselves in these areas, count yourself lucky. I had a friend that is pretty darn good with his E-Trac that went to DIV last Fall and was shocked at just how little detection depth he was able to get. The PI's were the "go-to" detector for that specific hunt site. He hit a few sites on the way hime 100 miles away and did like you was expecting - bullets at double-digit depth - but not in the Va soil.

Andy
 
I visit just about all of the forums and this is the first of this "friendly challenge" I have heard of and saw. I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree because I've hunted in Culpeper and know the shallow bedrock/rock outcroppings you speak of...but down here the rocks are different than up there. You can take a strong magnet across the soil here and soon you will have iron flakes and small rocks sticking to it. I personally think that has something to do with why detectors do so poorly in it here. I've not taken a magnet to the soil in VA but down here I have.

I've got the Bliss and will give your challenge a shot but thus far I'm not super impressed at any rate. I'm longing for a GPX again.
 
Daniel,
After hunting DIV land for 30+ years and being Instrumental (Whites words not mine) in the developement of the you know, I have no doubt any detector , other then the GB Pulses, wont pass. Most PIs without GB will not pass. The tool may work based on a Video they did on utube. Field test 9 under a large rock. But who can understand him?????? The controls may hold the key? I was well ahead of the curve in trying to solve the iron belt dilemma. Matter a fact it has intrigued me for many years. Keep at it. Tex
 
will do the same thing.
 
I have done a bit of testing on one cold rock , and if your disq is up to reject a nail it will not get thru the stone you have to get it in all metal and by the way I would not mind getting a shites TDI -SL
 
George,
Thanks for the great reply. I guess I was (and still am) looking for the one detector to "rule them all". Fact is I live in central Va and hunt with a E-trac that is a fantastic machine. But now a days I am finding more and more spots that are moving to the "Iron belt" area of Va. I have found the closer I get the less and less the depth on the E-trac is able to handle, I would guess with what you said the CTX would have the same response. So looks like Im gonna still be in the market for a GPX and now a CTX. Well maybe one day.
Thanks again
Matt
 
A great machine would be able to switch between VLF and P.I. and also be waterproof. Are ye listening Minelab? Is this possible without the machine weighing in at more than 10lbs......NGE
 
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Not at this time on testing.
 
Matt, This is why I use only two detectors. Covered no matter where I hunt. By the way if you could every pickup a nice GP3500 they work terrific.
 
I am in america for a short time on a work visa from Queensland, Australia and the first Sovereign [ ONLY ] when made, there were 2 different models. One for the Australian market and the other for the U.S....The one for Australia would slice through the iron pictured above like it was butter with not that much difference in ground loss... If you go to the Aussie EBay sometimes one will show up. To tell the difference, the iron on/off switch,there were two switches. When one does show up, $1200 U.S. you will pay...
 
Looks like the blisstool did it. Glad they took you up on the challenge saw the video today. That is awesome that it worked. I have one good detector for certain situations would not want to coin hunt with it but for deep relics it is a winner.

Jason
 
Jason in TN said:
Looks like the blisstool did it. Glad they took you up on the challenge saw the video today. That is awesome that it worked. I have one good detector for certain situations would not want to coin hunt with it but for deep relics it is a winner.

Jason
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Where is the video??
 
Hello George - it was a real pleasure meeting up with you in VA.

We were honored to have the Blisstool step up and take your bedrock challenge.

Growing up my mama always had a saying..."never say never".......

Enjoy the video:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20dA3L4TkrU&feature=plcp[/video]

Look forward to meeting up again with you real soon...

Barry


woodchiphustler said:
I cut my teeth relic hunting this area with every model and type of detector know to man. Most people believe the red dirt is the cause. They are all wrong because the whole geography has red dirt. Some of it is not bad ground at all. However the bedrock in this area is enriched with iron. So much so I discovered white being involved in testing and developement of a certain pulse detector that this type of detector works as if this bedrock is not even present. To prove my theory I have offered a friendly challenge to all VLF and multi freq users. Discriminate out a small piece of iron. Ground balance the bedrock. Place the minnie ball on top or under this small rock. Now try to get a good hit in discriminate. Never has been done. Several new detectors out now. My Deus can not do it. I have offered a challenge to the "Tool" from Bulgaria as relic hunters from the area race to order one. The ETrac could not do this. Maybe the CTX will??? So far no takers. Best regards , George Kinsey
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Mount_Isa said:
I am in america for a short time on a work visa from Queensland, Australia and the first Sovereign [ ONLY ] when made, there were 2 different models. One for the Australian market and the other for the U.S....The one for Australia would slice through the iron pictured above like it was butter with not that much difference in ground loss... If you go to the Aussie EBay sometimes one will show up. To tell the difference, the iron on/off switch,there were two switches. When one does show up, $1200 U.S. you will pay...
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WHAT?! Tell me more! So what's this deal about a freak Sovereign model with two iron mask switches and the ability to "slice through iron like butter"? Sounds like a rare and thus expensive Sovereign. I wonder if it came from the factory like that or there was a source to have them modded like this? If you have a picture of it or links to more info about it then PLEASE POST!
 
barryny said:
Hello George - it was a real pleasure meeting up with you in VA.

We were honored to have the Blisstool step up and take your bedrock challenge.

Growing up my mama always had a saying..."never say never".......

Enjoy the video:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20dA3L4TkrU&feature=plcp[/video]

Look forward to meeting up again with you real soon...

Barry



I cut my teeth relic hunting this area with every model and type of detector know to man. Most people believe the red dirt is the cause. They are all wrong because the whole geography has red dirt. Some of it is not bad ground at all. However the bedrock in this area is enriched with iron. So much so I discovered white being involved in testing and developement of a certain pulse detector that this type of detector works as if this bedrock is not even present. To prove my theory I have offered a friendly challenge to all VLF and multi freq users. Discriminate out a small piece of iron. Ground balance the bedrock. Place the minnie ball on top or under this small rock. Now try to get a good hit in discriminate. Never has been done. Several new detectors out now. My Deus can not do it. I have offered a challenge to the "Tool" from Bulgaria as relic hunters from the area race to order one. The ETrac could not do this. Maybe the CTX will??? So far no takers. Best regards , George Kinsey
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Like my nanny always said the proof is in the pudding Barry very impressive machine it locks out iron very well each video i see convinces me more to look into getting one in the farm fields nothing can hide . Good video !! Jim
 
I have a blisstool and did that test , on a basalt rock , if i discriminate out a small iron nails say 2" and then try to get the lead slug under the rock it goes silent , but the nice thing about the bliss is you can turn it back far enuff to get the lead under the rock not on it under it so at least the bliss can be turned back to a all metal and get thru the rock but if you are close and swing fast it will blank i found you have to slow the wing a bit and i get it thru basalt but no other detector can make a peep in discriminate thru basalt andly in all metal like the GT or gold bug so you may as well have a pulse machine in that situation or hunt in all metal
 
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