Makro m.k. air test tone 3 appears anemic

[cedarswamp]

Air test tone 3 sens.89 seven inches on a dime however t2 and t4 ten inches on a dime sens. 70 I have to punch the sens. to 95 to get the same results in t3 let me know what your mk is doing,,,,, CEDAR

 

[anton]

Didn't they say in 3 tone, that up to gain 89 it has super fast recovery, less depth, and AFTER gain 89 it gets deeper and recovery slows a bit..do you think that is what you may be experiencing?

 

[cedarswamp]

I thought that using the gain more than 89 would boost,and slow the processor applied to all modes, not just 3 tone if not I stand corrected,,,,,CEDAR

 

[RVA_Digger]

Agree 3 tone is blistering fast 89 and under but shallow. Reminds me of using Deus Reactivity 4 or so. The speed robs the depth but I personally will find this mode really useful with some of the smaller coils offered. 2 tone, 4 tone, and deep modes should be good enough for finding deeper targets.

I think Makro needs to do a better job explaining this mode in the manual. What it is, how it works. Why you might need it... how to use it to your advantage, etc.

 

[anton]

Agree 3 tone is blistering fast 89 and under but shallow. Reminds me of using Deus Reactivity 4 or so. The speed robs the depth but I personally will find this mode really useful with some of the smaller coils offered. 2 tone, 4 tone, and deep modes should be good enough for finding deeper targets.

I think Makro needs to do a better job explaining this mode in the manual. What it is, how it works. Why you might need it... how to use it to your advantage, etc.

totally agree, i only found out about it from test videos on youtube,curious as why they didnt put it in the manual..i think they should address it, ive seen a couple of kruzers come out for sale with the owners selling on the first day..maybe they did air tests with the gain down below 89 and freaked out?

 

[Coin Rescue Inc]

The manual says 4 Tone and Deep are the deepest Modes.
It also says it is the noisiest mode in the air and quiets down once close to the ground..
It also says to up the gain while sweeping the ground to the highest possible gain.
Under these conditions I would question if an air test would be totally conclusive.
There are a lot of new innovations here not seen before requiring one to think a bit outside the Box

 

[coin-star]

I could be wrong, but my feeling is that ground balance makes big difference on this detector. So I am not sure air tests will be very conclusive. I can tell that as I move to different soil, re ground balancing seems to make a difference, even if it is just a couple numbers off.

-CS

 

[Mr. Carolina]

I took it that 3 tone was the ( what I will call ultra fast ) with a gain below 89, but less depth than the other modes. I decided this mode was made this way for super trashy or iron laiden soils. I could be wrong though. Not much help I guess.

 

[Dr. Witty]

So what about 2 tone then? On my Makro Racer 2 its the deepest mode next to all metal and Deep mode, and deep mode I only use to check really deep signals. Can someone tell me where 2 tone falls as far as depth is concerned?

 

[coin-star]

Since I have the electronic version of the Kruzer manual on my desktop, here's the "search modes" section for everyone to read. (beach mode excluded from excerpt)

2-Tone Discrimination (2 TONE)
Recommended especially for relic hunting. It produces good results particularly on clean
sites which do not contain waste metal. More depth can be obtained on sites which are
rocky or those that contain waste metals by using the DISC. and NOTCH and swinging the
search coil more slowly (one right/left pass per approximately 1 second). DISC. is set to 03
as a default value. You can modify this value according to the ID of the targets you don’t
want to detect.

In this mode, the device produces a low tone for ferrous targets with IDs between 0-15.
For targets with IDs 16-99, it produces a higher tone which increases in pitch as the coil
approaches the target. By using the T.BREAK feature, you can adjust the break points of the
target response tones on the Target ID range.

3-Tone Discrimination (3 TONE)
This is the 3-tone discrimination mode designed for coin hunting especially in trashy sites
such as parks. In this mode, the device produces a low tone for ferrous targets with 0-15 IDs, a
medium tone for gold and non-ferrous metals with IDs 16-66 and a high tone for non-ferrous
metals with IDs 67-99 such as silver, brass and copper. By using the T.BREAK feature, you can
adjust the break points of the target response tones on the Target ID range.

4-Tone Discrimination (4 TONE)
4-tone discrimination mode designed for coin hunting in low-medium mineralization. Due to
its high gain and depth, this mode is a bit noisier than the other modes. Noise will be more in
the air versus in the ground. Take this fact into consideration when adjusting the gain level.
In this mode, the device produces a low tone for ferrous targets with 0-15 IDs, a medium tone
for gold and non-ferrous metals with IDs 16-30, a medium-high tone for metals with 31-66
IDs, and a high tone for non-ferrous metals with IDs 67-99. By using the T.BREAK feature, you
can adjust the break points of the target response tones on the Target ID range.

Deep Mode (DEEP)
Recommended especially for relic hunting, this mode is the deepest mode of the device.
Therefore, it may run relatively noisier. Noise will be more in the air versus in the ground. Take
this fact into consideration when adjusting the gain level. While searching in this mode, a
slower swing speed is required.

The discrimination ability of the DEEP mode is relatively less compared to the other modes.
Hence, its performance may vary on trashy sites versus clean ones.

In this mode, the device produces a low tone for ferrous targets with IDs between 0-15. For
gold and non-ferrous targets with IDs 16-99, it produces a higher tone which increases in
pitch as the coil approaches the target. By using the T.BREAK feature, you can adjust the
break points of the target response tones on the Target ID range.

-CS

 

[Dr. Witty]

Thanks, looking at this I'm still not convinced that 4 tone is deeper than 2 tone, unless its deeper since maybe the default gain is set a bit higher. Anyway, I guess i'll find out once i get mine.

 

[coin-star]

My idea for using two tone is to use it for extreme discrimination by moving low tone break up to something like 65 - 70 and then turning Fe Volume to 0. This should allow for cherry picking things like coins and silver with hopefully no depth loss.

(sorry not trying to get off topic)

-CS

 

[joe dirt_1]

I like hunting old home sites in corn and bean fields and am not interested in digging a foot deep on every target. These sites are loaded with iron and brass targets in the first 6 to 8 inches.
Using 3 tone and 80 sensitivity gave me the fast target separation I needed to pick out good targets co-mingled with trash targets and still got me the depth I wanted. With so many targets
that are relatively shallow, I try to clean an area out first of these targets and will go back after the deeper targets later. I'll experiment with other settings to see how they work in a high trash
setting also. I still have a lot to learn about the Multi Kruzer, but I'm very impressed so far with it. Great job Makro, you hit it out of the park with the Multi Kruzer !

 

[Cal_Cobra]

The Ultra Fast 3-TONE recovery speed is something else. IMHO the 4-TONE mode is already fast, but it's noticeably faster on the 3-TONE, great for those iron infested sites.

The only way it could be better, is when they make it (some day) user adjustable recovery speed.