M6 users

[Bowie]

Hope everyone is having a nice Thanksgiving.
I have read using to much Sensitivity can cause falsing. But I have been using just enough to where I can hear a faint noice in the background. My setting isnt much past the factory recommended setting, just a bit past it tho. Do any of you do this. Of course sometimes when I get a very faint signal, I will turn it up more but then go back to my original setting once I work the target. Dunno, I use to hunt years back with an old Whites coinmaster and had a hum from the threshold setting. I dont know why but I like a slight hum in the background. It doesnt seem to hurt the machines ability to locate targets or work them,even if Im in heavy iron and trash. Remember, I dont crank the sensitivity really high, just enough to hear a faint background noise.
Oh, one other question. I have the 5.3 eclipse coil and my deepest coin find has been at 5 inches. I am curious about the accelerator coils, (the smaller ones). Do any of you or have any of you any experience with them and the 5.3 eclipse??? If so, how do they compare.
Thanks,
John

 

[Elton]

Bowie:

Are you confusing Threshold and Sens...Threshold gives back ground hum..Sens sets depth of detection.

Or did i read your post wrong? Or are you speaking of just a little more sens and it's unstable and you hear background noise from instability.

 

[Bowie]

Hi Elton,thanks for responding,didnt think I was gonna get a reply,lol.
No,not threshold as M6 doesnt have that setting. I just turn the sensitivity up until I hear the noise and turn it back down until I can (to me) hear a slight hum,no cracklin,popping,its just a hum. The owners manual instructs turning the sensitivity up until you hear the noise and then turning it back down to the point it becomes silent.
I have been doing what the owners manual instructs but on my last hunt with the M6 I used it with a slight background noise (hum to me). I know this isnt a threshold,I was curious if anyone else used their M6 in this manner. Wanted to know if this is a bad or good thing.
Thanks,
John

 

[Elton]

seems like it might be a positive thing.......If it helps you hear the deep ones then it works..Kinda like turning GB up a little positive isn't it.

 

[khouse]

The m6 has raw power. If you want to unleash the power run the disc at 9 o'clock. Set it to single tone mode. Tracking on. Crank the sens all the way. Yes, all the way. Sweep your coil very slow. You detector will be nervous and jumpy. But as soon as you go over a good target then "bang" it blasts out. Be prepared to dig holes 8 inches deep or more. Now in trashy areas you can't do this. Also if all the chatter rattles your brain then you can't either. I do this in areas where I'm not getting too many hits. But it's fun just to see how deep it will go.

 

[Bowie]

Thanks khouse and Elton. Khouse, I most times use no discrimination and run in tones mode. So far, most of the places Ive been are trashy with iron and modern trash. I just recently found a site that is older and it seems to have more iron in the ground and fewer pull tabs (in certain areas). Its a very old scout camp, thats being used as a modern park lately, but I know where a lot of the old areas are located away from the modern facilities.
When I first started using the M6, I would run it like stated above but many times would go back to the search (one tone) mode because of all the tones coming at me in the multiple tones mode. But maybe Im adjusting to the multiple tones as I seem to like using it more and more.
As I was told by Monte and Billde, this detector (two filter) is very fast on response. You can be swinging a bit to fast, on top of a good target and hear a good sound and before you can react hit a second target giving a different response and while you are reversing to go back to the first target, the secpnd one and its response are history,real fast,lol.
I had read in the M6 manual that experienced operators could operate this detector into the upper end of the sensitivity.
I will go back to the tone mode and crank the sensitivity up per your suggestion (khouse) and give it a go. Just my thinking but thats how you learn your machines strength and weakness... operating,experiencing different settings in different enviroments. Thank you for suggesting it to me.
I havent found anything more than 5 inches so far, I have had weak signals and the depth meter reads 7 or 8 inches. I will dig to about 10 and find nothing,rescan and still get a signal with a depth of 7to 8 inches but nothing is there or its very deep and big. I am getting to where I dont read the depth read out and very seldom use the VCO pinpoint as the 9.5 and 5.3 coils pinpoint very nicely. Im sure one day I will happen up on a deeper target.
Thanks for your help,
HH
John

 

[Mr. Beard]

[quote Elton]Bowie:

Are you confusing Threshold and Sens...Threshold gives back ground hum..Sens sets depth of detection.

Or did i read your post wrong? Or are you speaking of just a little more sens and it's unstable and you hear background noise from instability.[/quote]

Cranking the Sens knob up may make the detector start chattering noises( starting to be on the unstable area). This isn't a bad thing, because the detector may detect a bit deeper in cleaner soil conditions. The M6 has has no noticeable threshold if it has been adjusted correctly from the factory.

 

[Bowie]

Thanks Mr.Beard. I knew of this but I guess my post must have been confusing and I appologize for that.
I have been using the M6 thus far at the factory pre set or close to it with no noise. I knew the noise from cranking the sensitivity up is not a threshold sound as the M6 doesnt have a manual threshold. I had just on my last hunt, turned the sensitivity up to the point of a faint background noise,it was so faint only a hum could be heard.
Again, forgive me for my lack of communication skills,
John

 

[khouse]

I run it in single tone full blast. Try that.

 

[Mr. Beard]

The deepest I have found a coin with the 5.3 so far has been a penny at 7 inches.
the deepest with the 6X10 so far.....7 inches with a dime.
I have a Kellyco 4.5X7 Excelerator coil and the deepest so far on that one was a quarter at 8 inches.
I have the stock 9.5 coil but have not used it much at all.

All depths were measured using a 8 inch brass probe.

The M6 is a very good detector for getting the coins.
I also go a little past the preset on the Sens knob just to the point of getting a slight noise...then I back it down a little bit.Mostly have the Disc set at 9 o'clock.

 

[bill(de)]

If your not in too much trash whether it be big iron, decomposing iron trash,or modern trash i agree with khouse but many times i encounter a combination of everything listed plus hotrocks so running at full blast produces insanity and let the adjustments begin.If ground and target conditions don't allow max settings or single tone audio it's nice to have the option for the best target separation through various coils and detector options. If your already using the 5.3 Eclipse i would opt for the 5"EXcelerator if they still sell them as it is a great coil at the trashiest sites on the M6 in my opinion. HH Bill

 

[Monte]

[quote Bowie]When I first started using the M6, I would run it like stated above but many times would go back to the search (one tone) mode because of all the tones coming at me in the multiple tones mode. But maybe Im adjusting to the multiple tones as I seem to like using it more and more.[/quote][size=medium]Tone ID can be useful ... on the right occasions ... and it can also cause some poor hunting habits as you begin to single out only certain audio tones to be interest in.[/size]


[quote Bowie]As I was told by Monte and Billde, this detector (two filter) is very fast on response. You can be swinging a bit to fast, on top of a good target and hear a good sound and before you can react hit a second target giving a different response and while you are reversing to go back to the first target, the secpnd one and its response are history,real fast,lol.[/quote][size=medium]Yes, the MXT and M6 are two-filter ype models that are a fast response and fast recovery, just don't confuse that with being a fast-sweep type detector. They are a slow-motion circuit and, in trashier sites, a too-fast sweep speed can impair performance, as well as a fast sweep in highly mineralized conditions.[/size]


[quote Bowie]I had read in the M6 manual that experienced operators could operate this detector into the upper end of the sensitivity.
I will go back to the tone mode and crank the sensitivity up per your suggestion (khouse) and give it a go. Just my thinking but thats how you learn your machines strength and weakness... operating,experiencing different settings in different enviroments.[/quote][size=medium]Absolutely correct. The avid, experienced, and educated (in detectors, not a formal school degree ) detectorist will have definite advantages over the novice or casual hunter. But the only way to reach that level is to learn every aspect of your detectors or as many as possible, to include the strengths and weaknesses. You're on the right track for success! [/size]


[quote Bowie] I am getting to where I dont read the depth read out and very seldom use the VCO pinpoint as the 9.5 and 5.3 coils pinpoint very nicely. Im sure one day I will happen up on a deeper target.[/quote][size=medium]While you can pinpoint reasonably well with a good 2-filter type detector in the motion Disc. mode, you'll have other advantages by using the All Metal mode to pinpoint because you can size and shape your target. That might eliminate some of those 10" holes for bigger, deeper targets you mentioned going after.

Happy Hunting,

Monte[/size]

 

[Bowie]

Yes Bill(de), I want an EXcelerator coil. Maybe Santa will bring me one. My bets are on Santa,lol.
I have been (experimenting) with different settings so maybe Im learning. Recently Ive found a new site to hunt. In some areas it has very much iron signals, older pull tabs and some foil;then some areas have the iron with all the modern trash.
Yeppers Monte you are correct on the relying on tones, I am experiencing that now as I like to hunt in tones mode and not single tone. Geesh, now I gotta go back to a single tone. Ive been running with little or no discrimination in the tones mode and I loved it. Ive even dug coins right next to some trash iron because I got that high pitched beep,granted they were clad but still a coin.
Let me back up a bit. I got permission to hunt this place but didnt want to dig everything because it has a modern park on top of it now;therfore didnt want the public see me digging many holes,so for now am pretty much digging coins. So, I am mainly using the tones mode. I guess this may be cherry picking????
I guess I could use the single tone mode and switch to tones mode to check a target out, is this what you are refering to?? Or do you mean , use the single tone and dig everthing. For now I dont want to dig everything at this location. Anyway, this is the strategy I dicided for on this location. Also, up until now Ive been hitting a few tot lots and old ball field; so, this is really my first away from home hunting.
For now, I dont like running the sensitivity wide open, I dont mind a wee bit of background noise, just dont like it cranked up.
My sweep speed is slow as I work each signal, takes me a long time to gain ground but Im getting to the point where I hear low beeps,grunts and move on.
I have a lot to learn and I know if I were hunting in a single tone, I would be digging more signals;but for now, in that place, I dont think it wise to do that.
Does any of this make any sense to you guys???

 

[robert roy]

Yes, they still sell 5inch excellerators at Kellyco.
Robert R

 

[cosmic]

Well here in northeast Illinois the stock coil has the best depth...(don't have a super 12 yet) My observation from bench test and real world testing is that you don't really gain much depth with the sensitivity cranked way up.. A little past the factory preset is about it.. You can gain a 1/2 -1" but at the fringe of detection the vdi and tone will register lower than what the object is.. Increase the sensitivity even more just results in smaller targets be acquired.. I usually turn my sensitivity all the way up, then down to hear a few pops once in awhile.. That gets small stuff like jean rivets, earring and such..0 discrimination 7 tone mode.. Then I go back over the area if trashy with the discrimination set a little above 9 o'clock so can get a tone from 0 on up, and the sensitivity set to where its quiet.. Found some extra coins that way..So I guess they named it right as after a point depth doesn't increase, but SENSITIVITY to smaller objects does.. Ahh, maybe it's just me!
Ray

pic.1 Some of my finds with the M-6, pic.2 barber at a measured 9.5". pic.3 1836 large cent at a measured 8" under a root..

 

[tuckerdoo1]

Hello all, new to the game, just got an M6 last week and people like you help me to understand it the best, thanks for the answers to alot of questions i would have ask!