Looking at getting a V3-looking for deep silver.

[rockpup1]

Im looking into getting a V3.I had a eagle spectrum in the past,I really enjoyed the machine but was old and breaking down all the time.I found my first and only small canadian silver dime with it over 7" deep.It was a deep silver machine.I want a DFX but can get a VX3 for a good price,I been told the VX3 is alot deeper than the DFX and will replace it one day.

I have heard this unit is killer on deep silver and I need something deep and something i can really interpet the signals with.The spectra graph on the eagle was great and I had good sucess picking out garbage targets from good.I also really enjoyed the abilty to set up the disc on a larger scale.I had some great programs and could make that machine go very deep,it was my favorite detector but took well over a year to figure out,alot of reading and alot of using/playing with the programming.From what I have read the vx3 is alot easier to learn.

Im not sure about the graph on the new machine,it seems alot differant.The one I had I could tell good gold targets from foil by reading the graph,once learned cut down on alot of trash.

Just wondering about the programming and if it is adjustable as the old eagle spectrum was? I had the very first spectrum model I know this unit has to be alot deeper!Also wondering how it does with canadian clad,all machine's have problems on our coins but some are worse.I dont really care that much as I hunt newer parks/places with a gold bug pro.
Any advice be great,I enjoy whites machines but all the choices now of great USA made detectors its hard to choice?

 

[nw1886]

The VX3 is an incredible machine that is much more adjustable and powerful than anything at it's price level. It compares to the V3i strongly and for many, would eliminate even considering something slightly lesser in price. There are real $ advantages to considering the V3i but.....the upgrade is spendy, and if you have good accessories already, you will be saving hugely on initial cash outlay..........for a machine that is a "big deal".

I've ran them both, have a VX3 program loaded on my V3i, and can honestly say that it is so fundamentally the same machine, you will be beyond happy. Budgets are as important as any detector you could choose. Add to that a good price, this box will amaze you to the point of not "looking back" one bit. Even though I would hate to give up the added features of my V3i, I would kick tail similarly, if it was a VX3. (It is "easier", and that has definite advantages.)

 

[rockpup1]

Well i cant tell anyone what I can get this machine for.Just recieved the email and I am sold.My dealer has one but with the 9.5 concentric new with warrenty for amazing price.

Cant wait.I know the V3i is more complex but I can always upgrade in the future.For the price I cannot turn down this VX3.

My mind is made up and any advice for a newbie VX3 guy be greatly appricated.Thanks a bunch nw1886 - im sure its all you say it is.

 

[nw1886]

There is another thing....even though the use of the 950 is a cost cutting measure, that coil has real advantages. Beware of people saying that a DD is universally superior...that is a half truth. Glad you got such a great deal and welcome to the V.

 

[CyberSage]

I am one of those people that nw1886 just warned you about. The D2 is vastly superior to the 950 in all but low mineralized strength soils. I couldn't resist nw.

 

[BHNugget]

I am one of those people that nw1886 just warned you about. The D2 is vastly superior to the 950 in all but low mineralized strength soils. I couldn't resist nw.

 

[nw1886]

Oh you guys...ha!

 

[earthmansurfer]

I am one of those people that nw1886 just warned you about. The D2 is vastly superior to the 950 in all but low mineralized strength soils. I couldn't resist nw.

I know you run the D2 CyberSage, but the weight of it often gets to my back after a few hours where as the 6X10 doesn't. I mix it up though. When I hit a less iron infested patch I'll put on the D2. Anyway, I do have a 950 coming and the soil has 1% mineralization but lots of iron - soil usually reads -91 on the ground tracking zoom. In theory I think the 950 should do well here in Germany. I heard the 950 style (round or concentric) is actually slightly better (10%) in iron as compared to DD coils. True or False???

 

[nw1886]

I live in an area that most of the area is made up of old farmsteads. Even in the towns parks around here, there is original dirt to these farmsteads and find that the 950 is best because of low mineralization a round field pattern. I find deep dimes and trinkets with better audio and a tiny coil bob helps to find the sweet spot for best separation. (My analog detector, w/950, likes these targets too and depth is great.) With the DD's here, it takes more body and coil movement to get the numbers to tighten up. Put mineralization and more iron in the picture 10DD is it

I have another couple spots that are old townsites....heavy iron, moderate mineralization and uneven ground. Here the DD's do best by far because of the narrower field and better separation. Depth....if I run my sensitivities even slightly higher (with all the "iron hating" adjustments) I have a hard time separating targets because of the volume. Backing disc. sens. back to 5,6,7 and all metal just below preset, things are manageable and good targets still have some decent depth. Same site, tree roots or rough ground....back to concentric. Poking, circling and hovering (no body movement) gets numbers to tighten up way faster....but no 950 use here.

Most of the time my DD's are on the end of the stick. But......there are so many times the concentrics are best. I really enjoy the round field pattern and what it does for you in "situations". I could say that I'm so used to the "machines of old" and like those habits. Nope....enjoy all the new, prefer the DD's.....only mostly. Concentrics are not "coils of old" and you will find great uses for the 950 EMS.

 

[rockpup1]

Great Information.I myself do perfer concetric coils over DD's in SOME area's I hunt.With all the coils I can get for the V3 it will be hard to make up my mind on my first coil.
My next coil will be a larger one for the most depth-I like the excelarator coils but I am not going to buy one until my warrenty expires.
I think the large whites DD coil will be my next coil?They do make a 12" DD I think,be good for relics,nuggets in the gold fields-which I also love searching in.
I kinda like detecting anywhere! I still think silver coins are my favorite things to find-even more than nugget's!I really like old american coins but have only found one Mercury dime so far.
But I think there is some old basball fields closer to the border that may yield some American silver.

 

[earthmansurfer]

nw1886 - Great and informative reply. Thanks for that.

I think I fall somewhere between your two what if's - 1. more iron and mineralization = DD coil 2. low mineralization = Concentric.
What about low (or no mineralization) and a good amount to heavy iron? I've heard the concentrics do better in iron with low mineralization. It's due to the shape of the field below them, they sort of "see" under iron due to the cone like path.

Thx again,
EMS

 

[nw1886]

Back when I started detecting coaxial and concentrics were mostly all there was. I was eleven years old, a lot was still in the"obvious" places, and features smeatures.....max sensitivities, ground balance and dig it all if it had a somewhat good signal. Iron and coins in the same hole was nothing to really put too much "thought" into. All I cared was it picked up a "possibility". Now we all put "thought" into it, have tons of info to assist us, more stabilized depth, less targets in the "obvious" places, and adjustments that make the "hairs" (in "splitting of hairs") a lot coarser. In the end...an impatient eleven year old kid (with a good machine) would be right there with us in finding good stuff....he'd just be working harder and playing a game of basketball after!!

To answer you question on concentrics seeing better with an iron mix, I'd guess that in heavy concentrations definitely no, and isolated yes....in the "splitting of hairs". The slight "mush" of a round field, might just be a little more forgiving in adjustment variables?

 

[Rob (IL)]

The VX3 is an incredible machine that is much more adjustable and powerful than anything at it's price level. It compares to the V3i strongly and for many, would eliminate even considering something slightly lesser in price. There are real $ advantages to considering the V3i but.....the upgrade is spendy, and if you have good accessories already, you will be saving hugely on initial cash outlay..........for a machine that is a "big deal". (If you want the rechargeable system and then decide to buy a D2 how much do you save?)

I've ran them both, have a VX3 program loaded on my V3i, and can honestly say that it is so fundamentally the same machine, you will be beyond happy. (But what happens if you don't want to run correlate mode? I use best data.) Budgets are as important as any detector you could choose. Add to that a good price, this box will amaze you to the point of not "looking back" one bit. Even though I would hate to give up the added features of my V3i, I would kick tail similarly, if it was a VX3. (It is "easier", and that has definite advantages.)

I keep hearing the VX3 is easier to run. Put the V3i in correlate mode, don't use the extra options, use the default values and they are the same to operate. It's like a microwave. They come with all kinds of options but they don't all have to be used. All that many people know is set the time and start. So by getting a cheaper microwave with less options is it easier for them to use, NO. With either unit they just punch in the time and go. ROB

 

[rockpup1]

I had a spectrum and was able to set-up the machine to differant enviroments.I like the control.I am getting a new V3 for a unreal price.I will upgrade in the future to the V3i but the V3 will do until winter

 

[nw1886]

That last post was just to infer a respect for budget and still getting a machine that is a "big deal" (Not THE big "deal".) By the time you figure in a charging system at roughly $80.00, the DD10 coil swap for the 950 coaxial....both most likely an upgrade in due time, the long term savings is $120.00 and for that budgetary consideration ....miss out on all the added programming available to a "base line"V3i user...which is THE big "deal" no doubt.

I also agree that the V3i is no more complicated than the VX3. (That is you, me, and most of the folks on this forum.) But....there are a lot of folks out there that do look at complexities, determine that "they" will be almost insurmountable for the foreseeable, and will always look at these non-understood items as a detriment to them fully feeling comfortable with their new pursuit. (Net... the Vx3 = "easier" here) Here again...you have to respect a person who knows themselves to be this type, lives life in this comfort zone...and excels because of it. The VX3 was designed for this person too and just saying, that making a wise choice has different parameters for different folks I guess. It is so smart for Whites to have came out with this machine....for both budget and "ease of use".

We need a new microwave bad! (I'm looking at it right now and it's bad!!!!)

 

[Rob (IL)]

For several reasons the VX3 or V3i are deeper than the DFX. There is no doubt about it. ROB