Little understanding please

[WV62]

I think I am doing it but when ground balancing I am doing it by the manual, but I seem to hit a volume change spot on the way down and back up about 3 to 4 inches off the ground. I was kind of expecting a smooth volume change from the 6 or 8 inches off the ground to the 1 inch off the ground.

Is this kind what others experience? Just about forgot I am using the Tejon.

Ron in WV

 

[slingshot]

Can you make it stop by changing the GB knob's position? Also, there is the "wrapover" effect if the coil gets too close to the ground in bad areas. This is what it does when you "power ground balance" with an inside trimmer and it isn't set correctly. Maybe Monte will help here.













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[SkiWhiz]

Its been awhile since I have had a Tejon and can't answer your question but a couple of things I can tell you is alot of the Tesoro's that I have had with a threshold control, the threshold is what I would call not 100% steady sounding, it more like a constant buzz with a tiny bit of varience (slight flutter)in the sound. And from my understanding it is best to ground balance the Tejon by pulling the triggar switch towards you then lifting & lowering the coil instead of putting it into all metal mode by way of the turning the disc. level dial on the control panel to all metal. There are a couple of reasons for doing it this way, one is because the Tejon has a quicker recovery when pulling thetoggle switch towars you and I can not remember the other reason/reasons.

 

[WV62]

Can you make it stop by changing the GB knob's position? Also, there is the "wrapover" effect if the coil gets too close to the ground in bad areas. This is what it does when you "power ground balance" with an inside trimmer and it isn't set correctly. Maybe Monte will help here.a

Slingshot,

I can only say that I could change the volume response by changing the GB knob's setting at that 3 to 4 inch level. So I think I could have got it to do the no volume change at the 3 or 4" level but I was still trying to get GB at the 1" level. I am still pretty new to the Tejon and Tesoro so the wrapover and power balance is a little over my head at this point.

Steve,
I will give that ground balancing in the PP mode a try, we are in the middle of a ice storm right now so not sure when I can get out. Just a side note I was surprised as to how quick I picked up on PP with the Tejon.

Thanks,

Ron In WV

 

[SkiWhiz]

Can you make it stop by changing the GB knob's position? Also, there is the "wrapover" effect if the coil gets too close to the ground in bad areas. This is what it does when you "power ground balance" with an inside trimmer and it isn't set correctly. Maybe Monte will help here.a

Slingshot,

I can only say that I could change the volume response by changing the GB knob's setting at that 3 to 4 inch level. So I think I could have got it to do the no volume change at the 3 or 4" level but I was still trying to get GB at the 1" level. I am still pretty new to the Tejon and Tesoro so the wrapover and power balance is a little over my head at this point.

Steve,
I will give that ground balancing in the PP mode a try, we are in the middle of a ice storm right now so not sure when I can get out. Just a side note I was surprised as to how quick I picked up on PP with the Tejon.

Thanks,

Ron In WV

I hope the ice storm doesn't hit you's as hard as it did us a few days ago, many surrounding towns lost power for many hours we were fortunate as we only lost our power for an hour at most. We got around 3 inches of ice rain, still plenty slippery in the driveways,etc. & made a mess of the trees. PP with Tesoro's is a snap, if you aren't familiar with detuning do a search for it and give it a read, its not necessary to detune a target but fun to do just the same. Stay safe down there Ron. Steve.

 

[hatpin]

I experience the exact same thing with a new Vaquero. It sounds like a baby calf. Does it everytime.

 

[88junior]

Guys the ground balance on the Tejon is very sensitive to adjustments I had a Vaquero before the Tejon and the Vaquero is a piece of cake even in my bad ground conditions, Ron make sure there is no metal in the ground in the area you are ground balancing this includes your shoes or boots, like Steve said the pp switch has a faster recovery, your goal Ron is to get a steady threshold sound when it's off the ground then as you lower it to the 1" mark off the ground for it to stay the same, don't go to fast either maybe a second or two between raising it and lowering it make slight adjustments then try again. In my honest opinion that's why you see so many Tejons up for sale is because of what your going through but with practice Ron you will master it. I called Tesoro with the same problem your having and would you believe Vince Gifford talked me through it over the phone while I was in my yard trying to get it set! You couldn't have talked to a nicer guy and he's very knowledgable on what he sales. You don't get that kind of customer service anymore!!

 

[slingshot]

Guys the ground balance on the Tejon is very sensitive to adjustments I had a Vaquero before the Tejon and the Vaquero is a piece of cake even in my bad ground conditions, Ron make sure there is no metal in the ground in the area you are ground balancing this includes your shoes or boots, like Steve said the pp switch has a faster recovery, your goal Ron is to get a steady threshold sound when it's off the ground then as you lower it to the 1" mark off the ground for it to stay the same, don't go to fast either maybe a second or two between raising it and lowering it make slight adjustments then try again. In my honest opinion that's why you see so many Tejons up for sale is because of what your going through but with practice Ron you will master it. I called Tesoro with the same problem your having and would you believe Vince Gifford talked me through it over the phone while I was in my yard trying to get it set! You couldn't have talked to a nicer guy and he's very knowledgable on what he sales. You don't get that kind of customer service anymore!!

Nice to know. Thanks.

 

[WV62]

Guys the ground balance on the Tejon is very sensitive to adjustments I had a Vaquero before the Tejon and the Vaquero is a piece of cake even in my bad ground conditions, Ron make sure there is no metal in the ground in the area you are ground balancing this includes your shoes or boots, like Steve said the pp switch has a faster recovery, your goal Ron is to get a steady threshold sound when it's off the ground then as you lower it to the 1" mark off the ground for it to stay the same, don't go to fast either maybe a second or two between raising it and lowering it make slight adjustments then try again. In my honest opinion that's why you see so many Tejons up for sale is because of what your going through but with practice Ron you will master it. I called Tesoro with the same problem your having and would you believe Vince Gifford talked me through it over the phone while I was in my yard trying to get it set! You couldn't have talked to a nicer guy and he's very knowledgable on what he sales. You don't get that kind of customer service anymore!!

So 88junior when you are not racing cars you do a little metal detecting couldn't pass that up, I wear a #88 hat myself. Okay I had my fun back to GBing.

I am going to list my GBing steps below, let me know if something sounds wrong.
Everything off
Turn detector on and run sensitivity up to about 8 or so
Check for ground metal using PP mode
I am holding coil straight out about waist high
Adjust threshold to slight sound
Bring the coil done into a pumping position about 8 or so inches off the ground.
Lower the coil straight down to about an 1" off the ground. Of course on the way down is where I am hitting that high spot.
I repeat that several times adjusting as I go.

Does all that sound okay?

Thanks

Ron in WV

 

[Wooden Nickel]

Ron,

I'm following this thread with interest, You get all the problems figured out, so when I get my new Tejon I won't have to do it.

We got the ice up here in P-burg too! Main roads are OK, but I almost couldn't get out of the driveway and down to the main road.

All was well until I left my daughter's house - which is downhill!!! After getting out of the ditch, which I went into intentionally, I cam close to ramming a deserted car. And all of this was in 4-wheel drive.

Mike..... :coastgaurd:

 

[88junior]

Ron set your gb up like it tells you on doing a air test and start out there when ground balancing also another little secret and you will think I am crazy before using your Tejon let it come up or down to outside temps approximately 5-10 mins I learnt this from another user and it seems to work, I always had better luck getting it ground balanced doing this. That's about it as far as my tips. YouTube videos are also helpful.

 

[WV62]

Ron set your gb up like it tells you on doing a air test and start out there when ground balancing also another little secret and you will think I am crazy before using your Tejon let it come up or down to outside temps approximately 5-10 mins I learnt this from another user and it seems to work, I always had better luck getting it ground balanced doing this. That's about it as far as my tips. YouTube videos are also helpful.

Getting up or down to temp, that confirms why the machine settles down after a few minutes out of the car. That's a good one and all should take note, and I will take another look at air testing GB.

Thanks 88junior, I think we got a couple of good nuggets from your comments.

Ron in WV

 

[88junior]

Your welcome Ron and glad I could be of assistance! Good luck and if you have any questions pm me or post it on here we all will try to help you. Just don't give up on your Tejon after you figure it out setting up will become like riding a bike.

 

[RicS]

Ron,
You process is fine. .. .you're doing exactly what you should be to GB. It might be helpful to 'intentionally' go the other way. . . .turn it to far, and get the signal to silence when you get close to the ground. Unlike the older 10 turn pots, the newer 3-3/4 turn pots get there quick, so you shouldn't have to turn it much. At that point, gb is some minute' setting between the 2.

As to the signal change when around an inch from the ground: go slowly toward the ground during GB. Not so slow auto tune keeps it consistent, but not jerky or quick movements either. Experiment with the different speeds approaching the ground and lifting it back up. Once you figure out the speed and get used to the adjustment range of the GB control, you should be able to get it to maintain a consistant audible at an inch off the ground.

Keep in mind, some MD's are more 'sensitive' then others, and can react to very minor changes in mineralization and conditions (wet, dry, shade, sun), and going from one to another might require tweaking the settings. You'll be blind to these changes slowly occuring when running in discriminate only, so, periodically switch over to All Metal. . ...or hit the trigger... .and check to see if your settings are still intact. I do it constantly with the Vaq by holding the pinpoint button and doing a quick check. It makes a difference.. ..I've had to adjust 1/4 turn on GB between the front and backyards of a single homesite.. . .that's a big difference for such a small area, and not necessarily all that rare.

Be patient, you'll get it, and it will become second nature to you. HH

-Ric

 

[Blank Planet]

seems everyone has developed a way to balance the beast and with good reason its a mutt to balance, i used Monte's power balance of sorts, the idea is to get the thing to run as quite as possible and keep good depth and discrimination and not false on disced out items well as least as possible.

set disc high in the junk put down a piece of silver and swing slowly move the GB knob till you are happy with how its reacting to the silver and the junk, basically its power balancing on the move, once you get the hang of it just turn it on and start swinging in disc mode and balance her up on the move, works well for me, and unless you have major soil changes it doesn't need to be changed unless changing coils.

blank planet

 

[WV62]

Things were better today, I didn't go on a hunt just went out in my yard and pasture field and did nothing but ground balanced in different areas. Was warned but still surprised at how much change there was in just a few yards. I pretty much tried all the tips except the power balance I think I will save that one for my next training day, very interesting idea.

Just wanted to say thanks to all.

Ron in WV

 

[MXTerer]

I have read many times Monte's article on power balancing, and tried to do it many times, but I can't get a sound from my Tejon. I would turn the GB from one end to the other and bob the coil-nothing. I have run the threashold from one end to the other-no response. If I pull the trigger and go to all metal then GB is no problem. On my MXT the soil reads from 50 to 80 so its not all that mild. Any suggestions?

 

[MXTerer]

n/t

 

[WV62]

I have read many times Monte's article on power balancing, and tried to do it many times, but I can't get a sound from my Tejon. I would turn the GB from one end to the other and bob the coil-nothing. I have run the threashold from one end to the other-no response. If I pull the trigger and go to all metal then GB is no problem. On my MXT the soil reads from 50 to 80 so its not all that mild. Any suggestions?

Any chance we could get Monte to cut and paste this power balancing into this thread, maybe I could show you guys how it is done.

Ron in WV

 

[MXTerer]

n/t