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Lithium Ion Batteries

morelic55

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Has anyone tried this setup? A guy on @bay is selling them claiming that you can use 4 lith ions with the adapter rods....
 
Good idea. I'm running a 3 cell lipo in my GT. Lipos are the lightest on the market, even usually much lighter than lithium ion due to the nature of not having a metal case like regular batteries do usually, although I believe lithium ion can be had with or without a metal case too. It's not just the lack of a metal casing, but also the nature of the battery internals that make them super light. Not only are lipos much smaller and lighter than conventional nimhs/nicads with the same capacity or even much more, they are fine to charge in an hour which can be pushing nimhs/nicads and they don't self discharge on the shelf like nimhs or nicads. Very cheap too if you know where to look for them. Paid around $7 for a 3 cell series pack which will put out 12.6V, so it's perfect to replace 8AAs in a detector. They also hold their voltage very high until the end of discharge so even a somewhat lower capacity pack will usually out run a somewhat higher capacity nihm or nicad due to them tripping the low battery alarm sooner with a more constant drop in voltage as they drain.

Just thought I'd post to say that if any of you Etrac guys are looking for a way to charge your stock pack other than using the stock charger, Kered built a wood battery holder to hold it while charging the pack and goes into details on the charge rates he uses for faster charging and such. You will find links to his Etrac specific battery stuff on that in the Sovereign forum battery/charger sticky.
 
Mark, not sure of the exact batteries you are using here but I have been working several fires caused by the charging of lithium batteries ( I actually have one fire igniting on a security video from lithium batteries). Most of the time it is recommended by the manufacturer to remove the batteries and charge outside and away from combustibles. Now most of the fires I have worked had have been within remote helicopters and airplanes, but a lithium battery is a lithium battery. I would be cautious about charging them in the machine within the battery compartment due to the heat build up during the charging. Just a thought here it may not be worth the extra hunting time to possible have issues with the batteries. I went to Batteries plus not too long ago and they rebuilt my original pack with higher mili-amp batteries and I have been well pleased. Just FYI.. later bro...
 
It used to be that lithium ion and lipo batteries were very prone to catching fire during charging due to not having a balance plug and a charger capable of balance charging. These types of batteries are critical in terms of the max charging condition they allow, and so lacking balance chargers and balance plugs on the batteries if one cell got over charged things could go very bad. These days they pretty much all have balance plugs and the chargers have balance ports for them. However, that still doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful and always charge in the middle of a cement floor and where you can keep an eye on things. As a general rule, lipos can be charged at 1C (1 hour charge) and that isn't pushing them like nimhs or nicads can, and the lipo won't get hot either at that rate while nimhs or nicads can. There are some lipos now that can be charged at 2 or 3C but I don't recommend that. Not just for safety reasons but also so it isn't hard on the pack for longer life.

Really nimhs or nicads are at equal fire risk while charging and such. All pose a risk. The other main thing about lipos is that if you puncture the soft shell they have they can explode or catch on fire when the internals are exposed to oxygen. They should also NEVER be shorted, not even for a split second, as that can cause a reaction that makes them go nuclear too. All that being said, the lightness of lipos, the cheap price (if you know where to look) compared to nimhs even these days, and so on makes them my choice. You can't run them down past 3V per cell (9V total for a 3 cell series pack) or it might ruin the battery, so make sure whatever you use them in has a low battery alarm that kicks in before it drops below 9V. They don't self discharge on the shelf and are super light, so for those two reasons alone I like them. That said, I also store them in a metal box (with inside of box painted so no potential for shorts) just to be safe, and I keep them in the refrigerator as that prolongs their life for long term storage.
 
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