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[michaelnc]

Crickets lol. Come on Fisher we're waiting.

 

[Elton]

?????????????????????? Just curious what we all want..

 

[ez4sure]

well hope fisher comes out with some new technology maybe a machine that will run in a single or multi freq that's waterproof ive been looking at the nokta impact but would rather stick with fisher if they dont make us wait too long

 

[michaelnc]

Something new, with multiple frequencies, great ergonomics, waterproof, great in iron, super deep, great discrimination and with the Fisher brand name. hopefully it will be the new flagship for the industry. Fisher has always been my favorite manufacturer and I'm hoping they release something along these lines very soon. The competition is upping the ante.

 

[kajunman]

Something new, with multiple frequencies, great ergonomics, waterproof, great in iron, super deep, great discrimination and with the Fisher brand name. hopefully it will be the new flagship for the industry. Fisher has always been my favorite manufacturer and I'm hoping they release something along these lines very soon. The competition is upping the ante.

Not only upping the ante but keeping the cost reasonable imo. You would think their next major release would have wireless headphones as well.

 

[lytle78]

Wireless and waterproof are now the new standard for top of the line VLF machines. Nobody would bother, I think, to introduce a new one without these features. But if it is just a case of adding these features to existing VLF IB detector platforms, it's not all that interesting, no matter how clever the signal processing is done. I am not, for example impressed with the trend towards ever more modes and adjustments in an effort to male "swiss army" detectors.

Multifrequency is another matter.

There are now two kinds - first - switchable frequencies, using one at a time - Impulse, Deus, etc.

True "multifreakers" like the Minelab FBS and BBS machines, Whites DFX and V3i and Fisher CZ's. This area of technology has been "stuck" for more than a decade. Will advanced CPU's and digital signal processing chips make a breakthrough possible here? My money is on either Minelab or Fisher (First Texas) if this is going to happen. I suspect only they have the depth of knowledge inntheir engineering depts. to mobe this forward. It appears to be a true "black art".

Another road not traveled yet (except by Minelab's GPZ gold detector) is truly new principles in - using sophisticated circuit design for new levels of signal-to-noise ratio, new methods of transmission of signal and new modes of processing in both time and frequency domains to extract and present target information. Again, this takes lots of very top engineering talent backed with decades of trying every good isea that came down the pike. My picks for likely source of truly new stuff....again ML and FT - though not necessarily in that order.

Of course, it may all come to nothing. Perhaps metal detector design has hit the wall, kind of like television design. We will see, but I think it will take 3-5 years for the facts to emerge by the introduction truly new machines or the lack pf any such introductions.

 

[cord40]

I too am waiting for Fisher's flagship to tick all the boxes! Go Fisher Go!

 

[kajunman]

Wireless and waterproof are now the new standard for top of the line VLF machines. Nobody would bother, I think, to introduce a new one without these features. But if it is just a case of adding these features to existing VLF IB detector platforms, it's not all that interesting, no matter how clever the signal processing is done. I am not, for example impressed with the trend towards ever more modes and adjustments in an effort to male "swiss army" detectors.

Multifrequency is another matter.

There are now two kinds - first - switchable frequencies, using one at a time - Impulse, Deus, etc.

True "multifreakers" like the Minelab FBS and BBS machines, Whites DFX and V3i and Fisher CZ's. This area of technology has been "stuck" for more than a decade. Will advanced CPU's and digital signal processing chips make a breakthrough possible here? My money is on either Minelab or Fisher (First Texas) if this is going to happen. I suspect only they have the depth of knowledge inntheir engineering depts. to mobe this forward. It appears to be a true "black art".

Another road not traveled yet (except by Minelab's GPZ gold detector) is truly new principles in - using sophisticated circuit design for new levels of signal-to-noise ratio, new methods of transmission of signal and new modes of processing in both time and frequency domains to extract and present target information. Again, this takes lots of very top engineering talent backed with decades of trying every good isea that came down the pike. My picks for likely source of truly new stuff....again ML and FT - though not necessarily in that order.

Of course, it may all come to nothing. Perhaps metal detector design has hit the wall, kind of like television design. We will see, but I think it will take 3-5 years for the facts to emerge by the introduction truly new machines or the lack pf any such introductions.

Minelab is working on a new CTX. It will be interesting to see if the price remains the same or cost more. For the upper end users I think if Fisher and Minelab debut new machines it will have to be substantially better than the previous model. The new mid range detectors are reasonably priced so if you don't like it , you're not left holding the bag so to speak. For all the discrimination , depth meters and different tones , I believe imaging will at some point be necessary to justify the cost. Rutus with their Hodograph is a small step in the right direction.

 

[michaelnc]

Agreed! I never understood why Fisher never pushed the envelope on the multi frequency market. The CZ machines with their dual frequencies are still dandy detectors. Now with the foreign companies upping the ante we'll need a waterproof machine with simultaneous frequencies, wireless capabilities, true all metal with tones to differentiate iron, iron audio, tone breaks, also the ability to use both DD and concentric coils and hopefully some true sizing and shape imaging technology. Another area is the tones. Please make them easy on the ears like the CZ series with modulated audio. Looking forward to the next. By the way great prices on the new Teknetics series and the F-75.

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

I agree with you lytle78

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Jason

 

[doc holiday232]

If ML and FT don't have something really new and they price it over 1000.00 it will just sit. Too many excellent machines at 500.00 to 800.00.

 

[BarryL]

Wireless and waterproof are now the new standard for top of the line VLF machines. Nobody would bother, I think, to introduce a new one without these features. But if it is just a case of adding these features to existing VLF IB detector platforms, it's not all that interesting, no matter how clever the signal processing is done. I am not, for example impressed with the trend towards ever more modes and adjustments in an effort to male "swiss army" detectors.

Multifrequency is another matter.

There are now two kinds - first - switchable frequencies, using one at a time - Impulse, Deus, etc.

True "multifreakers" like the Minelab FBS and BBS machines, Whites DFX and V3i and Fisher CZ's. This area of technology has been "stuck" for more than a decade. Will advanced CPU's and digital signal processing chips make a breakthrough possible here? My money is on either Minelab or Fisher (First Texas) if this is going to happen. I suspect only they have the depth of knowledge inntheir engineering depts. to mobe this forward. It appears to be a true "black art".

Another road not traveled yet (except by Minelab's GPZ gold detector) is truly new principles in - using sophisticated circuit design for new levels of signal-to-noise ratio, new methods of transmission of signal and new modes of processing in both time and frequency domains to extract and present target information. Again, this takes lots of very top engineering talent backed with decades of trying every good isea that came down the pike. My picks for likely source of truly new stuff....again ML and FT - though not necessarily in that order.

Of course, it may all come to nothing. Perhaps metal detector design has hit the wall, kind of like television design. We will see, but I think it will take 3-5 years for the facts to emerge by the introduction truly new machines or the lack pf any such introductions.

Exactly this what Garrett did with their new AT Max even tho some folks want admit it I just recently bought a used Fisher F70 and man its awesome best ergonomics in a detector I have ever owned . I have used the At Pro and although it was good detector the balance and so forth was terrible . I would like to see fisher come out with a detector that is waterproof and on the same lines as the F70 or F75 series . with Wireless Headphones . I also have used the T2SE by First Texas and really Liked it May even pick up another one later

 

[markg]

well hope fisher comes out with some new technology maybe a machine that will run in a single or multi freq that's waterproof ive been looking at the nokta impact but would rather stick with fisher if they dont make us wait too long

I'm with you

 

[kajunman]

Wireless and waterproof are now the new standard for top of the line VLF machines. Nobody would bother, I think, to introduce a new one without these features. But if it is just a case of adding these features to existing VLF IB detector platforms, it's not all that interesting, no matter how clever the signal processing is done. I am not, for example impressed with the trend towards ever more modes and adjustments in an effort to male "swiss army" detectors.

Multifrequency is another matter.

There are now two kinds - first - switchable frequencies, using one at a time - Impulse, Deus, etc.

True "multifreakers" like the Minelab FBS and BBS machines, Whites DFX and V3i and Fisher CZ's. This area of technology has been "stuck" for more than a decade. Will advanced CPU's and digital signal processing chips make a breakthrough possible here? My money is on either Minelab or Fisher (First Texas) if this is going to happen. I suspect only they have the depth of knowledge inntheir engineering depts. to mobe this forward. It appears to be a true "black art".

Another road not traveled yet (except by Minelab's GPZ gold detector) is truly new principles in - using sophisticated circuit design for new levels of signal-to-noise ratio, new methods of transmission of signal and new modes of processing in both time and frequency domains to extract and present target information. Again, this takes lots of very top engineering talent backed with decades of trying every good isea that came down the pike. My picks for likely source of truly new stuff....again ML and FT - though not necessarily in that order.

Of course, it may all come to nothing. Perhaps metal detector design has hit the wall, kind of like television design. We will see, but I think it will take 3-5 years for the facts to emerge by the introduction truly new machines or the lack pf any such introductions.

Exactly this what Garrett did with their new AT Max even tho some folks want admit it I just recently bought a used Fisher F70 and man its awesome best ergonomics in a detector I have ever owned . I have used the At Pro and although it was good detector the balance and so forth was terrible . I would like to see fisher come out with a detector that is waterproof and on the same lines as the F70 or F75 series . with Wireless Headphones . I also have used the T2SE by First Texas and really Liked it May even pick up another one later[/quote


Iv'e never used an F70 but I have an F75. I don't know how you could beat the ergonomics of an F75. It's an easy detector to swing.

 

[michaelnc]

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[mrwilburino]

?????????????????????? Just curious what we all want..

Oh, just those last few silvers that have somehow eluded us of course!

While I would love to see something new come along in the multifrequency category from one of the big guys, I just don't see that happening at the moment. Right now the focus seems to be on the global market for fast, mid to higher single frequency machines. As for multifrequency; my guess is that Minelab will keep tweaking their FBS platform at a leisurely pace. Fisher might have something on the shelf, but it will probably stay there. Garrett will continue to focus on the single frequency AT platform. Whites? Not sure what their plans are for the current V3i.........

 

[cord40]

A waterproof Impact is in the works. That checks most of the boxes for me.

 

[Ipooponyou]

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[Doc Holliday]

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