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List of objects & there digital read out
- Thread starter Dug in Me
- Start date
This is not what your looking for but it may help. By the way, these are done as an air test and I have found list like these not to be real accurate because the ground does change where they hit.
http://www.minelabowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2589&sid=c0f2fa370f5417571d88df8b04aae451
AK
http://www.minelabowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2589&sid=c0f2fa370f5417571d88df8b04aae451
AK
Dennis(WI)
New member
Do a search on the word chart and you should be able to find the list you're looking for. HH Dennis(WI)
Mike (Virginia Beach)
New member
...this is what you want. Here are links to the MS-Word docs in my own web-space. The first is a chart posted by "Digger" and the second is what I shrunk it down to and laminated for my Explorer II. And I know most of those anyway, but there are a few that "Make you go hmmm..." and I wanted to have them handy, like 11-02 for example...3 cent nickel...I passed up a few 11-02 signals before reading that. Of course the first time I dug one, it wasn't a 3 cent nickel. But still, it's good to know. That said, as I'm sure many will point out, these are mostly "air test" numbers and may not represent real-worl in-ground numbers. Although in many cases they do. Just another tool is all...
http://members.cox.net/nodesurfer/numbers.doc
http://members.cox.net/nodesurfer/numbers2.doc
And here's the picture you were referring to...
http://members.cox.net/nodesurfer/numbers.doc
http://members.cox.net/nodesurfer/numbers2.doc
And here's the picture you were referring to...
Bill_in_MA
New member
Let me add my 2cent website to the list makers.
Here's the same info sorted different way by Cond vs. Ferrous, etc.
http://www.bdomineau.com/gpage6.html
http://www.bdomineau.com/gpage.html
http://www.bdomineau.com/gpage12.html
Here's the same info sorted different way by Cond vs. Ferrous, etc.
http://www.bdomineau.com/gpage6.html
http://www.bdomineau.com/gpage.html
http://www.bdomineau.com/gpage12.html
Bill_in_MA
New member
Cody,
I want to make sure I understand what you mean - are you asking for a complete chart of all digital numerical pair combinations for the Conduct and Ferrous matrix - with the resulting items at each point ID'd including such things as pull tabs, nails, foil, etc wherever they fall. Certainly that can be done - if that is what you mean. If I'm misinterpreting you let me know.
I want to make sure I understand what you mean - are you asking for a complete chart of all digital numerical pair combinations for the Conduct and Ferrous matrix - with the resulting items at each point ID'd including such things as pull tabs, nails, foil, etc wherever they fall. Certainly that can be done - if that is what you mean. If I'm misinterpreting you let me know.
Yes, I have often wondered if this would be of value for a new user, mostly, to get a better idea of how the display relates to digital readings. Also, a dime will read 1/28, 2/29, 0/30 so have a fairly tight pattern.These are not the only reading is the general idea. I found a dime that read 7/25 which I expected to be a penny. The ratio went from a standard of about 29:1 to a little over 3:1. The conductive reading is not all that far off 29 to 25 but the ferrous skewed pretty far to the left. I guess they are not that different but wondered about the ratio of ferrous to conductive ratio for different target in other areas of the US. So instead of a single reading for a dime it might be interesting to see what a dime does in other states and see what the ratio of differences look like. This is one of those things one thinks of then take a long nap while the idea goes away.
You might find this of interest as something to do on a very hot day. I took a gold ring that measures 9/8 and a pulltab with the same reading. I wanted to see if I could reject the pulltab and still detect the coin using learn and edit. My thinking was that it might be that 9/8 is "rounded off" or averaged in some way so what if the actual reading is something like 9.5/8.3 for one target and some other close reading to that for the other target. I could detect the coin and reject the pulltab even if they both indicated 9/8. However, the tone was so iffy that I don't think it would be of value in an actual search were we have hundreds of different pulltabs and gold rings. I settled on learning as much trash metals as I felt was of any value and storing them in an S memory location. I then learned all the gold I could get my hands on and stored them in another S memory location. The last effort was to learn all pulltabs, tabs, tails, and store them in an S memory location.
These memory locations are used to construct a program to reject trash and still detect gold jewelry which works very nice. The sequence is important in that I use a basic program to reject iron and keep a threshold, then select the ferrous trash for rejection then pulltabs, tabs, and tails, then accept the gold. The idea is to not miss a gold target that reads the same as a trash target. This was just a little fine tuning of what I have been doing so really nothing new here.
You might find this of interest as something to do on a very hot day. I took a gold ring that measures 9/8 and a pulltab with the same reading. I wanted to see if I could reject the pulltab and still detect the coin using learn and edit. My thinking was that it might be that 9/8 is "rounded off" or averaged in some way so what if the actual reading is something like 9.5/8.3 for one target and some other close reading to that for the other target. I could detect the coin and reject the pulltab even if they both indicated 9/8. However, the tone was so iffy that I don't think it would be of value in an actual search were we have hundreds of different pulltabs and gold rings. I settled on learning as much trash metals as I felt was of any value and storing them in an S memory location. I then learned all the gold I could get my hands on and stored them in another S memory location. The last effort was to learn all pulltabs, tabs, tails, and store them in an S memory location.
These memory locations are used to construct a program to reject trash and still detect gold jewelry which works very nice. The sequence is important in that I use a basic program to reject iron and keep a threshold, then select the ferrous trash for rejection then pulltabs, tabs, and tails, then accept the gold. The idea is to not miss a gold target that reads the same as a trash target. This was just a little fine tuning of what I have been doing so really nothing new here.
Bill_in_MA
New member
Cody,
I'd like to see a full Matrix myself. If people want to send me digital number pairs and target ID's I'll pull it altogether. The only thing I'd be cautious of is the bizarre odd ball readings where someone pulls out a penny from a nickel location vice versa or silver all the way over to the left. I'd go with common hit ID's verified from at least 2 separate and different individuals for starters. That way you wouldn't have the Matrix clouded by more of the exceptions rather than the rules. Let's see what happens.
Ultimately you could overlay a Matrix with colored locations for common coins to easily see their visual hit patterns which would be kinda cool to see.
I'd like to see a full Matrix myself. If people want to send me digital number pairs and target ID's I'll pull it altogether. The only thing I'd be cautious of is the bizarre odd ball readings where someone pulls out a penny from a nickel location vice versa or silver all the way over to the left. I'd go with common hit ID's verified from at least 2 separate and different individuals for starters. That way you wouldn't have the Matrix clouded by more of the exceptions rather than the rules. Let's see what happens.
Ultimately you could overlay a Matrix with colored locations for common coins to easily see their visual hit patterns which would be kinda cool to see.
I agree and think it should be understood that these are for actual in the soil readings. Bill, it might be of value to see how far reading skew from the standard reading. As an example the dime I mentioned that was 7/25. This is way off of what I have found any other dime but for some reason it skewed that far to the left. I think we also have to consider human error so need a good number of reading to see what is really going on.
Got to get ready for Church so I am out of here.
Got to get ready for Church so I am out of here.
and nicely put together on the web page. Best list I've ever seen...
Thanks. That one goes in my favorites
As far as skewed readings are concerned, I've gotten some real weird ones at the beach. The salt does some interesting things to metals... Down in the surf / wet sand, I run a -14 IM and just dig everything... no matter how "iffy" it sounds. Don't really rely too much on the digital readouts; I just go by sound (in audio 2). Got two real junky signals this morning and ended up with a 18K (gold filled ) chain w/ gold locket and a sterling silver chain with a .925 "Chai" symbol and a .925 Mezuzah. Would have bet it was a deep corroded zinc.
Thanks. That one goes in my favorites
As far as skewed readings are concerned, I've gotten some real weird ones at the beach. The salt does some interesting things to metals... Down in the surf / wet sand, I run a -14 IM and just dig everything... no matter how "iffy" it sounds. Don't really rely too much on the digital readouts; I just go by sound (in audio 2). Got two real junky signals this morning and ended up with a 18K (gold filled
) chain w/ gold locket and a sterling silver chain with a .925 "Chai" symbol and a .925 Mezuzah. Would have bet it was a deep corroded zinc.Captain Kirk
New member
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Captain Kirk
New member
Cody,
I would hate to have to hunt without it. It is not only invaluable in finding the target in the hole, but a penny (wheat or indian) can be very difficult to find in the removed brown dirt without a probe.
I have also found that the Explorer depth indicator is not very reliable for coins less 4" deep, but the tone gives you a good idea of depth if the GAIN is set to 7 or below. For those loud tones that produce a depth indication of greater than 4", I simply see if the probe will pick it up before I start digging. If it does, then I know I am working with a shallow target. I generally do not mess with shallow targets unless they are a dime or greater.
HH,
Glenn
I would hate to have to hunt without it. It is not only invaluable in finding the target in the hole, but a penny (wheat or indian) can be very difficult to find in the removed brown dirt without a probe.
I have also found that the Explorer depth indicator is not very reliable for coins less 4" deep, but the tone gives you a good idea of depth if the GAIN is set to 7 or below. For those loud tones that produce a depth indication of greater than 4", I simply see if the probe will pick it up before I start digging. If it does, then I know I am working with a shallow target. I generally do not mess with shallow targets unless they are a dime or greater.
HH,
Glenn
I installed an X1 on my Explorer yesterday but have been tied up and will do some testing and get some hours on it in a day or so. The probe is very well constructed and looks to me what I have been looking for. I have used several different probes but they had problems in different areas, lack of sensitivity, had a lot of chatter from the detectors, those kinds of things so look forward to the X1. I played with it for about 20 minutes and really like what I saw. I have been using a probe type that has a battery and circuit card in the headphones but it is heavy and hot and also will get a lot of chatter unless the Explorer is placed with the coil several feet from the probe. I was thinking of getting the old style lower rod. I assume these will fit on the Explorer11. Those newer lower rods are not as snug of a fit as I like and I liked the way the coil cable fit in the slot. Do you know if the lower rod on the XS fits the EX2?
I am a Minelab and Whites dealer but really only sell to the folks at the university and a few people that run me down. I am going to carry Sun Ray as I like what I see and found Ralph to be the type I like to do business with. We had a nice long talk about detecting by phone and got into this about the same time. I think I beat him by a year or two but both started off with a Jetco BFO detector. Wow what a toy that was compared to a really good machine.
We are getting a little rain so this should get the ground ready to hunt. The last time I went out it was so hard that I marked one spot to dig after some rain soften it up. My son and I are about to have some kind of withdrawal if we don't get out soon.
I am a Minelab and Whites dealer but really only sell to the folks at the university and a few people that run me down. I am going to carry Sun Ray as I like what I see and found Ralph to be the type I like to do business with. We had a nice long talk about detecting by phone and got into this about the same time. I think I beat him by a year or two but both started off with a Jetco BFO detector. Wow what a toy that was compared to a really good machine.
We are getting a little rain so this should get the ground ready to hunt. The last time I went out it was so hard that I marked one spot to dig after some rain soften it up. My son and I are about to have some kind of withdrawal if we don't get out soon.
Captain Kirk
New member
AK,
I did not mean to indicate that I do not dig shallow targets. It depends upon where I am hunting. If I am hunting in a place where the chance of finding an old coin is reasonably good, then I will dig the shallow targets. I have been in places where I could dig 250 zinc pennies a day. I just do not care to dig all of those surface "zincs" if there is not much chance of finding an old shallow coin.
HH,
Glenn
I did not mean to indicate that I do not dig shallow targets. It depends upon where I am hunting. If I am hunting in a place where the chance of finding an old coin is reasonably good, then I will dig the shallow targets. I have been in places where I could dig 250 zinc pennies a day. I just do not care to dig all of those surface "zincs" if there is not much chance of finding an old shallow coin.
HH,
Glenn