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Lets talk Bigfoot coil,

utahshovelhead

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One of my favorite set ups is when I use my XLT spectrum with the bigfoot coil. I have used a Bigfoot on Ski hills and black sand beaches since they first came out. It is light and sneeky between the weeds and rocks and cancel's out the black sand well. I have done great with it. There have been changes over the years to the loops coil wire so that it could be used on different machines. I currently have the Bigfoot that works with the Spectrum Eagle (rainbow) Does anyone know if that coil will work with any newer models of Whites machines? What is your favorite place to hunt with that coil? Mabey what your best experiance with it is as well.

Just thought it would be fun to see some Talk about the Bigfoot as I see lots of folks are trying to find one. Are they making them again?

good luck
utahshovelhead
 
The BigFoot is also my favorite too!!!!! I use mine on an XL Pro. I think your BigFoot will only work on 6.59KZ White's detector. I like to use my BigFoot coil almost anywhere I go where there have been large crowds.
 
Your coil will not work on the newer detectors. The DFX, MXT, and M6 use a different BigFoot. The Prizm models use a BigFoot designed just for them. The Vision or V3 can use the same BigFoot as the DFX, MXT & M6 but it acts a little different. I've been using BigFoots since 1990 and have never found a better all around coil for for shear volume of newer coins detected per hour. Like you said, they are great on the beaches also. The ground coverage and target seperation is outstanding! They don't get much depth so they aren't that great on older coins but any large open areas like soccer, and football fields or beaches are prime areas for the BigFoot. They stopped making them when the owner died. Jimmy Sierra was having them reverse engineered and they were producing a few of the DFX model coil but I've noticed that Jimmy doesn't have them on his web site any longer so maybe they've stopped again. There is a high demand for the BigFoot because they are such a great coil and getting harder to come by. My best day with a BigFoot was 376 coins but my buddy had a day with over 500 coins from a park in Orange County, CA. I was there to witness the feat. My 376 day darn near killed me, and I was 20 years younger than I am now..
 
I've tried to buy more bigfoot coils (I have one on my XLT, and a second one on my wife's IDX) because both of mine a getting pretty beat up after about ten years of nearly daily use. No luck. The problem, as I understand it, is that the bigfoot coil cannot, with current technology, be mass produced. They still have to be hand wound (I don't know why, but this what I've been told) and the "hand-made" cost is simply too high.

I really don't understand this, because really the bigfoot is just a double D coil front-to-back instead of side-to-side. If you look inside one (I have because I've had to repair mine a couple of times) you'll find essentially three loops - like a squared figure 8 inside a squared zero. The loops are wound around styrofoam shapes to hold their shape.

I'm not sure about this but, it appears to me that the "8'" is the transmit coil arranged like a double D except front to back instead of side to side, and both halves must be exactly the same reactance so that the signal induced into the receive coil by one half is exactly the same strength, but opposite, the signal produced by the other half. This is accomplished by winding one end of the "8" in one direction (clockwise) while the other half is the opposite (counter-clockwise). The number of turns and the geometry of the loops have to be identical also. The "zero" loop is the receive coil. The signals induced into the receive coil by the two halves of the transmit coil, being equal but opposite cancel each other out and no signal is seen by the detector. When a metal target comes under the coil either end of the coil, that careful balance is upset, and a signal is produced. Interestingly, if the target is EXACTLY centered on the coil the two coils are once again "balanced". That is why one way to pinpoint a target with the bigfoot (this is not the method I use) is to find that point which produces NO SIGNAL (a very sharp signal cutoff) or "null" indicating the target is centered under the middle of the length of the coil.

Mechanically, the bigfoot coil has a couple of problems. First, the upper and lower halves of the cover are plastic seam welded together using methyl-ethyl-ketone. This produces a pretty, but no so durable, fusion. Many coils have developed cracks in this seam weld allowing moisture to get into the coil. There are pieces of foam rubber surrounding the coils to protect them from being distorted by a small bump, and this rubber soaks up the moisture like a ....well, it IS a sponge. The result is a coil that cannot ground balance, screams at everything; in short, doesn't work. Opening up the coil (VERY carefully), drying it out, and putting it back together is a time-consuming but not too difficult task. When you have to coil opened, though, you must be extremely careful not to damage or alter the coil windings, or the farady shield (pieces of aluminum foil connected to wires taped to the top and bottom covers).

The second problem is that the "ears" where your lower shaft attaches to the coil are not really strong enough. I have seen more than one broken off by accidentally bumping the coil or hanging it on something while swinging from side to side. If this happens to the coil near the front or the back, the coil twists and the "ears" could be history. My wife had this happen to her (she didn't even know how- or when - she did it) but fortunately for me a gentleman who knows one heck of a lot more about these coils than I ever will lives only a half hour drive away and he was able to make a repair.

Anyway, getting back to your question, I have asked Jimmy Sierra about the bigfoot coil situation, and it would seem that if and until he is able to find someone willing to take over the "handmade" operation, or some sharp engineer figures out a way to mass produce the coil, no more will be made. Too bad. Maybe someone could get them made in China where the labor cost is non-prohibitive. (I HATE that idea, but I also hate not being able to buy one). Whites won't take the job on because of the problems trying to mass produce something that, until now, has to be more or less hand-made.
 
Thanks for the post! Very informative! I always wondered what they look like on the inside. I was wondering if I was to put a small bead of silicone around the seam, would it keep it dry in case a crack developed. Now because of your post I'll keep a close eye on my Bigfoot. Know there hard to come by anymore!
 
That is the most thorough explanation on the issues with making the Bigfoot I've seen GB. With all the variable models/hunting specific requirements, someone should just make a specific coil w/6.59 and "built in"detector setup. (The actual detector is the easy part!) If this was done.......they could start fresh. After all, we all aren't asking for a "Bigfoot" (at this "Waiting forever point.") just a setup that performs like one. Enough already...I miss my Bigfoot:cry:.

Winding Sminding..... New coil technology is what will get us into that better place. I know it's an already bloody brick wall :)rage:) but the fanciest high tech box is only going to get you so far without a major development in coils. Making a large area/to heck with depth coil.....has got to be a priority somewhere? The market would be thankful! Scott
 
Great information on the bigfoot fellas. I have been trying to get one for myself so I phoned White's here in Florida last month to hear for myself about the Bigfoot. They actually transferred me to the White's in California that is affiliated some way with Jimmy Sierra. The representative in California told me that they get calls for the bIgfoot every single day. She also told me that there is no plans right now to reproduce them. Unbelievable. Sounds like the demand would warrant the reproduction of them. If they have to be made by hand then so be it. I think a higher price would be acceptable by most md'ers. We need to step up the requests for the Bigfoot and get production going on them again.
 
Hi gilfordberry, thanks for the best insite and in depth on the way the Bigfoot is built. Sure wish I could get one for my MXT/MXT Pro. I've been trying and looking for one for over a year and no luck so far. I'm not too much into the eletronics end of these coils, but understand the makeup of them. I'm here in FL
so I could at least try stuff out about them in my little shop. Maybe try and build one. I just wouldn't want to infrenge on a patent or something and get into trouble with that part, so it maybe should be left alone and let the big money do it. JMHO. Man would I like to have one tho. Thanks for looking. KC

floridason, :usaa: retired
MXT, MXT Pro, lotsa coils, 2 DX-1's
 
To my knowledge there was 3 bigfoot coils made for the 6.59 series....1st one for the older Whites that came with a stock 8 inch coil and one for newer ones that came with the stock 9.5 coil and one that could be used on either by using a switching device on the coil.
Only one made for the DFX and MXT which have a different frequency.
Certainly would contact Jimmy Sierra enterprises who makes these coils in conjunction with Whites to get complete info if interested in purchasing one or getting further info.
Due to their configuration most have a brace on them to protect cracking off one of the ears. Don't expect the depth of stock coil but do expect extreme coverage as they work like a windshield wiper. XLT and imagine a DFX have a facet(absolute value) to help pinpointing which deadens one half of the coil when you pinpoint for easier and more accurate pinpointing..
 
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