LETS GET A TEST DONE ON?

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Can someone do a test on the T2 and the X-Terra 50. These seems to be the two new hot machines on the market...Even no I would love to see some kind of new explorer III or dfx2 or a new fisher CZ and a new Garrett. And with a new twist that has not been done before...am I asking too much?

But I would love to see how these two machines match up. They seem to be very good in trash and go deep the Terra has the two freq maybe that is it right there.

THANKS

 

[Mike Bearden]

I've got a T2 coming in next week or so they tell me. It will be a demo for testing only but I'm looking forward to it just the same.
Depth claims of 12-15" on a coin size object sounds like a real hot one alright and the separation qualities the folks are posting about on the T2 forum sounds impressive ... especially for a coil that size !
If the claims are TRUE, I seriously doubt anything in the markets price range will compete with the T2 on depth alone ... well maybe a Nautilus equipped with a 15" satellite coil, just don't know.
H.H.
Mike

 

[Rick(ND)]

Remember this is just a air test and not in the ground where it can vary. I will be looking for Mike test too when he gets his to see if it is like my T-2.
These test were under a florescent light on top of my pool table where I used a wooden yard stick to measures with and the coil stationary and both done on the same spot on the table. These were also done in factory presets on both detectors, but did use the 3 tone and 4 tone ID on the T-2.
The T-2 would get a good signal on a dime and quarter to 12 inches, but at 8 inches the tone ID would not be correct as it would change to a lower tones, when I went to single tone it would read all the way to the 12 inches with the visual ID dropping after around the 10 inch mark. After 12 inches I got no signal even when trying all metal.
On the X-Terra 30 I also got 12 inches depth and the tone would stay the same until maybe the last inch when it would be going lower and higher.

What I need to do is to get out side when the ground thaws to see what they will do.
On my nail infested floor i find the T-2 will ID a quarter right on top of one of the big nails in the floor better then the X-Terra will, but if it was right beside the nail then they seem to be the same. I did notice in the floor situation with all the nails the T-2 seems to have better depth than the 30 does.
These are just some quick test I did with it indoors to get a idea of how they work, so they should be taken with a grain of salt as it may be different than others.

Rick

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi,

In a wallet test, the T2 goes deeper. X-Terra 50 is about $599 street price versus the T2 at about $799 street price. So you will dig a little deeper with the T2!

Seriuosly, the T2 looks like a good unit, and I've been following the posts with interest.

Steve Herschbach

 

[dfwdetector]

From Ricks post sounds like the xterra and the T2 are pretty much the same depth. Certainly not $200 difference in price.

 

[willy]

And the Xterra retains it's settings when turned off. ...Willy.

 

[Ralph Bryant]

.....and I seriously doubt the 8 inch would lose much depth to the stock T2, at least in milder ground conditions. The T2 might have a little advantage in really harsh mineralization with the DD coil.

Ralph

 

[Bill W.]

Going along talking about the depth between to the two... it's honestly not directed at anyone only stating that I've never found a coin in the air... I don't put any value at all on air test. In very tame ground it might be a good indicator. But, it in most ground it has little or no value. The last time I did an air test on one of my machines was to give a friend with the same machine how far away I could hit a penny. He thought he had a defective coil. I am really not trying to be a wise guy only pointing the value of an air test. I just bought a T2 BUT have no doubt that the X-50 is right in the same territory in depth. I may end up buying a X-50 at some point too. You can never have too many toys... My buddy owns a X-50 but lives in WVA and I'm in PA... I don't know when we'll hook up again for a hunt but it'd be interesting for a side by side comparision... but, I may have an X-50 too by then. HH!

-Bill

 

[Ralph Bryant]

.....then the X-50 has magically become alot deeper than it was when first released !

Ralph

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi Ralph,

The T2 had better outperform the X-Terra or I will be very disappointed. On the other hand the fact that you parted with yours tells me it is not the Holy Grail of detecting. We all seem to be still waiting for that fabled unit to appear. Hopefully it will happen before we all go to that big detecting field in the sky!

Been fun playing with the coin detectors but the detector I most look forward to using this summer is my GP 3500. These coin machines are pretty wimpy for depth compared to the GP. Too bad the discrimination is lacking.

Steve Herschbach

 

[Ralph Bryant]

True, if they could do with a VLF coin machine what the 3500 does on depth, and get one to ID that deep, we could all retire from looking for that Holy Grail as you call it. The older I get, the less I look forward to digging 10 or 12 inch holes for a stinkin' penny anyway.

No, the T2 really didn't offer me anything I wasn't already getting out of the X5 or Nautilus depth wise, and I don't know that it really provided anything beyond the ID depth ability of the Xterras either. Raw depth performance was certainly better, but no dramatic improvement in ID depth. I'm just as satisfied with a 250 and the little Sniper coil for trash picking. Lack of optional coil sizes really hit home with both the T2 and the Xterras once I tried them out in my normal hunting conditions for jewelry and coinshooting. Finally decided to break down and try out the Aces since they had the 4.5 coil available now, and have been having a blast with both the 150 and 250. Here's a pic of my take since January 1, mostly with those two little machines. 100+ coin count afternoons are getting plumb boring, but the silver and rings are nice.

Ralph

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[Mike Bearden]

I guess it all depends on where you are talking about hunting and comparing the 2 detectors. I know where I live and hunt the 10" coil on my Nautilus is no better ( depth wise) than what I'm getting out of my X50. It's every bit as good but not better. Now I can't speak for the T2 yet and I might find that it's not all that here either and I have a strong tendency to get rid of detectors that won't hunt places I like to hit on a regular basis.
As I say this I look around the room and see a EX II, X-Terra 50 & 30, Nautilus 2ba, Whites MXT, a couple of CZ's and a Tejon.
Some of my all time favorites had to find a new home since I moved from Florida to north Alabama.
I don't need any pets, if a dog won't hunt in my woods I find it a new home.
Just my 2 cents worth
H.H.
Mike

 

[Rick(ND)]

Like I say this was air test and not actual targets in the ground. I feel most any detector will show good depth in air test comparing to some of our best detectors, but in the ground and how it handles the ground minerals and process the signals is where it separates the men from the boys. My Explorer or my Sovereigns don't have much for depth on air test, but in actual hunting they are deep.
As soon as the ground thaws i want to compare these 2 on actual signals along with the Explorer as this will tell the story.
Just trying to show in air test they are close and find the X-Terra 30 will ID a little further in air test, but wonder in the ground it it will??

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi Ralph,

Awesome finds!! I tried to talk myself into detecting some snow dumps today since it got up to about 30 degrees, but wimped out. So you got me beat for January and probably several more months to boot. Any of those diamonds real?

Those Ace uits really are something. Amazing little machines, especially factoring in the fact a larger and smaller coil is available for them. Garrett rapidly delivered what many with more expensive units are still waiting for.

Steve Herschbach

 

[Ralph Bryant]

A couple of the tiny diamonds are real, the big one is an Avon CZ designer piece, but sure got my blood pumping when I dug it up.... . Thought for sure I had found the real thing. Mostly the usual mix of junk and 10K/sterling kids rings, nothing high dollar. Having much more fun out detecting with the 250 than I've had in a long time. Not much lacking in that little gem.

Ralph

 

[Ralph Bryant]

You're right Mike, that's why I stated "in milder ground conditions" in my post. There are places where the IIb stumbles, but few where it totally fails.

I got a kick out of your "pets" analogy. But look on the bright side. At least they don't eat much or crap on the rug.

Ralph

 

[Dave Z]

Cuz I know even with my DC sensitivity turned up only 3/4,I still couldn't imagine digging every signal that went beep.Beer cans over 2 fet are a fairly loud signal.I don't think i'd be able to hunt more than 3 or 4 square feet a day if I were to dig everything.God bless you and your patientce.Dave

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi Dave,

The GP 3500 is designed as a gold machine and as such should be viewed as an all-metal machine. In other words, you really SHOULD dig it all when running the GP.

But it does have a shallow ferrous reject circuit that more or less works, and a dual tone capability that affords some level of discrimination at depth. The dual tones are triggered more by signal strength than conductivity, but it often works that low conductive targets give a different tone than high conductive targets. Check out http://www.losttreasure.com/fieldtests/ArchiveView.cfm?ID=LT20050956 for details.

PI detectors are not for everyone, but if you had a place where you were sure good targets were out of range of a VLF that are worth going after a PI will get them at depths no VLF will match. Not even close. But the caveat of digging lots of junk and digging really deep holes remain, and so they are for specialized uses only. Like nugget detecting or beach detecting. The digging needs to be easy, or the finds of great potential value, or the area relatively junk free.

Last year I used a $600 Coiltek 27" x 21" DD coil on my GP 3500, and paid for it with the first nugget I found, which weighed over 2 ounces. I am now ordering a 40" x 20" Coiltek coil for use as a tow-behind coil for prospecting huge areas for eluvial gold and meteorites. Real long-shot type detecting but with large potential for a major find.

I'm convinced some form of PI detector will be what really advances detecting to the next stage. VLF units seem to have maxed out for depth of detection. PI units do have poor discrimination but so did the first VLF detectors, which were also all metal machines. That did not keep people from using them.

I really do not care about depth of detection too much when using VLF detectors. I really am willing to only dig so deep for a dime and plenty of jewelry is out there at shallow depths. But if a target is worth digging a deep hole and a lot of junk, like a big gold nugget or a large meteorite, and you want depths that are without question better than any VLF detector on the market, take a look at a PI detector. VLFs seem like surface skimmers by comparison.

Steve Herschbach

 

[MattR]

I'm convinced some form of PI detector will be what really advances detecting to the next stage. VLF units seem to have maxed out for depth of detection. PI units do have poor discrimination but so did the first VLF detectors, which were also all metal machines. That did not keep people from using them.


Steve Herschbach

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But Steve, the Minelabs are discriminating pulse detectors !

That is the significance of THEIR technology.

The only draw-back, is the slow processing procedure involved.

When you said "some form of PI detector", did you have something radically different in mind?



..........MattR.UK.

 

[willy]

From what I've read on various forums and from correspondence, it's a PI with the disc./ID capabilities of a VLF. ..Willy.