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Learning more things about the three newest Tesoro's

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Howdy Folks...
Barnacle Bill's message just below this one is very interesting. Bill..if I may call you Bill....I would consider your decision to buy the Tejon for the areas you describe as possibly the worst mistake you have made in your life!! <img src="/metal/html/shrug.gif" border=0 width=37 height=15 alt=":shrug"> ...Well hopefully that is the worst mistake you have made in your life. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> I have hunted with the tejon for about six months and consider it a great relic hunter in the right place. I was trying to use it in trashy campsites with the 5.75" coil. In iron infested areas you can make it work...but you will go home with a headache.
Great machine in the right area. Terrible in the wrong area.
Myself, Mike and Karen King and MagnumPi are all now using a Cibola or a Vaquero in trashy areas. Bill...they are an absolute dream in the trash. 99% of the iron is eliminated at 0 discrimination and you can decide how much more you want to eliminate.
MagnumPi and myself have totally set aside our Tejon's. They are about to go up for sale. After Saturdays hunt Mike is ready to toss his too.
We went to one place where it was not trashy but the possiblity was there for some nice stuff that would not be to deep. Mike set up his Vaquero with the 5.75" coil. We left there after it started raining. Our second spot was going to strain the depth capabilities of any detector so I told Mike to use his large coil. I located a signal soon after hitting the woods. Mike had his Tejon set up with his large coil and his Vaquero had his 5.75" on it. He first brought out his Tejon. After locating the signal I called him over to check it. He got it but the Cibola was getting it better. We dug it and it was a 69 caliber musket ball at around 8". After seeing that we checked several other signals. I was always able to locate the target 3" above the Tejon's max depth. Needless to say he immediatley went back to the truck and switched machines putting the large coil on his Vaquero.
Karen was using her Cibloa for the first time. She was not able to get the hang of tuning it and was not happy.
Today I went over to their house. Mike has a new nickel that he buried at 10" two weeks ago. I drove a 3/4" plastic pipe beside it and used snap ties to attach a yard stick so we could measure how high above the ground each detector could see the nickel.
We first tried his Tejon. It would get the nickel just barely off the ground. It was a ratty signal and you would have had to working very tight to stop on it. I next tried my Tejon with similar results.
We then tried Mike's Vaquero. It would hit the nickel with a good repeatable signal at 3 1/2" above the ground. The machine was perfectly ground balanced..sensitivity all the way up and the discriminate on iron..threshold was set at a supertuned position of 2:00. That is the set up we hunt in...when not in the trash. We do not supertune in the trash. We run discrimniate at iron, Threshold at normal sound. sensitivity at 4 1/2.
Next we tried my Cibola. It would again hit the signal at 3 1/2" but we felt it was a little stronger hit. The machine was set up as Mike's was above..just no need to ground balance. We then tried Karen's Cibola with results very close to Mike's Vaquero. Maybe a tiny bit stronger but not enough to worry about. After the test I told Karen that we were gonna set the knobs for her and super glue them in place...and that I would add a simple off/on switch so she could turn it on..She now has confidence in the machine and will do just fine.
We found out Saturday that these machines will shut each other down if they are set up on the same frequency. If Mike's Vaquero was on 3..I had to be on 1 or it would make my machine loss all depth without any evidence of cross talk. We figured out that it started at 25' from each other and totally shut down both machines within a 20' circle.
Thought ya'll may enjoy what we learned over the last two days...and that was a great review of the Tejon Bill..I agree totally with your results and believe there is no solution..other than another machine.
Ya'll have a great week
The Mayor
 
It seems to completely vindicate and validate Ralph's Tejon test from a year ago.
Looks like there's a new cowboy in town!
John
 
I might be wrong, but I've been under the impression that ED 180 disc. provides, at zero disc., what is essentially an all metal motion mode. The ED 120 units I've used have a bit of disc. at 0 & will still detect iron. I can think of a number of situations where a detector that discs. out iron at min disc. would not be the unit of choice. Tesoro claims that the disc. is ED 180 on both the Cibola & Vaquero, as well as a number of other machines. Sounds strange that an all-metal mode would reject 99% of in ground iron. ..Willy.
 
360..
I do know that both machines do not have a true all metal position. They use a pinpoint mode that to me sounds like what I was used to hearing on the Fishers. The pinpoint mode is totally useless to me. It won't see targets as deep as the discriminate mode and I just hate that sound. For my style hunting..I never need a true all metal mode. I still pick up the big iron at just a wee bit below the iron setting and that is all I want. I can tell it is iron by the sound and make a decision to dig it or not.
If you are collecting square nails..this may not be the machine for you. If you want to dig coins and buttons out of the worst trashy iron infested places you can think of...then maybe give it a look.
The Mayor
 
Vindicate and validate Ralph...
We are NEVER going to let him get off that easy.
<img src="/metal/html/yo.gif" border=0 width=31 height=15 alt=":yo"> <img src="/metal/html/nono.gif" border=0 width=22 height=19 alt=":nono"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
The Mayor
 
<STRONG>"I might be wrong, but I've been under the impression that ED 180 disc. provides, at zero disc., what is essentially an all metal motion mode."</STRONG>... In theory that is basically correct, yes. We refer to an ED-180 Discriminate circuit, when set at minimum, to be an 'all metal accept' motion discriminate mode. One that will accept and respond to all common targets throughout the full 180
 
Just curious what you specifically didn't like about the Vaquero when you said "it also lacks a slightly lower-end discriminate adjustment than the others".
Unfortunately my trusty Eldorado was stolen from my truck a couple weeks ago and instead of buying another Eldo I've decided to try a Vaquero. Am I going to notice a big change in the new machine? Does the Eldo reach lower on the discriminate scale?
I hunt iron infested late 1800's sites as well as general coin and jewelry hunting in parks etc. So I'm hoping the new machine will be as good an all around machine as the Eldo was with a little more depth, as I have mild soil here for the most part.
The closest dealer is 400 miles from me so "buy and try" is my only option! I've bought an old Bandido II as well so maybe the new V machine will be back on the market soon! <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
At least the price of the new Tesoros make them an affordable test. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
HH
Rob
 
Have been thinking about buying a new detector and I believe I will go with either the Cibola or Vaquero. Thanks, John
 
Hello Monte,
Excellent detailed post as usual, you do set a standard worthy of emulation. And if I may a few questions.
1. The homestead rock you mention, what is it made of, and have you taken a phase reading on it?
2. From your post, I gather the Vaquero is quieter in iron, but is also more prone to masking than the other machines, as appears in your homestead rock experiment.
3. The following was a confusing statement: "Vaquero's failed to accept the iron nails in all directions while all other models did so. Crossing the nails on the ground I would get an audio 'hit' from them all if the nail was pressed straight into the ground so the coil saw '
 
I never have a problem with follow-up questions to anything I post. Helps me make sure I didn't type something in my sleep ... which can happen. <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
<FONT COLOR="#ff0000">1. The homestead rock you mention, what is it made of, and have you taken a phase reading on it?</FONT>... I can't tell you what it is made of, b ut the ground around the area where the homestead is located runs from 74 to 78, generally, with an MXT. The rock itself reads a rock-solid 80 (pardon the pun) and is typical of all the scattered rocks that were used. They read out at 80
 
Mayor,
Please explain what you mean when you said you ran the discrimiantion on iron when doing the nickel tests. Was that a typical nail level of rejection or something else? Was it a setting you can use when hunting in moderate to heavy iron?
From what I have seen of the higher frequency machines I have used in the past, their max depth on coins (nickels or copper/silver) is with a disc level that you cannot use when hunting in even average iron conditions around here. In areas with low trash you can learn what deep signals are non ferrous and be succesful, but when hunting in iron, its a different ball game IMO trying to find the deeper coins with the higher frequency machines.
Tom
 
JS...
I hunt the trashiest iron spots you can imagine with the disc at iron. That was why I tested it there. You will only hear the larger iron at that setting..and you will know it is iron. It kinda has a signature tone on either side of the target. Once you have heard it there is no mistaking it. I will dig large iron in campsites but leave it in the ground at homesites. I could have tested the machine at 0 disc and got even better results but I wanted real world worst case results to compare.
In other areas with little iron I hunt in 0 disc. You will pick up an inch or so of depth. You are still eliminating most iron and you can thumb the disc up to iron in a split second. That way you are getting max depth the machine offers and have the same ability of a second disc switch as is on the Tejon.
The Mayor
 
Sounds good and I appreciate your response. That is exactly what I wanted to find out.
Tom
 
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