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Just wondering............

James/Washington

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as I have been using the Xterra-70 for about three weeks now, what the thought is on nickle signals. May be the way I have my 70 set up but nickles always give a 12 in the meter but the tone is choppy and broken. I am finding more nickles with this detector than any other that I have ever used and I really love the 70 but I was just wondering what others are finding. I do find a few ring tabs that read just about the same as a nickle but I find they are usually not as choppy of a signal as a nickle. What are your thoughts? Also dimes do not always read 40 but come in as 38. This is not a problem as I will always dig for pennies and dimes but will not dig a zinker as I have them notched out. I hunt mostly newer schools and parks for clad and will be happy to get the occaisonal ring or whatever. There is a tremondus amount of trash here especially in the parks. There are very, very few coins in this part of the country (Edinburg, Texas) that are older than the 1920's as most of the towns here werent even established till about then and most houses and buildings are still standing.
 
Howdy James, You didn't mention which frequency of coil you were using, or if you were running in the all metal mode or with some notches rejected. Using the stock 7.5 kHz coil, most of my nickels (Shield, V, Buffalo and Jefferson) have read either a 10 or a 12. The 40% silver Wartime Nickels which come in at 12, 14 or 16.
If you are notching out notch segment 10, that could explain the choppy sound you are getting on some of the nickels. As to dimes, I have dug them at 36, 38 and 40. Different dimes will read different target ID's. And my final thought, be careful notching out that target ID of 30 for the zincs. I have dug IH cents anywhere from a target ID of 24 to 32. HH Randy
 
as I stated in my original post I hunt where there is only modern coins. This whole area is 1910's and above. The schools and parks I hunt are anywhere from 40 years to 4 or 5 years old. The chances of finding an indian head penny or v nickle or such are almost nill. Even old homesites do not exist since this whole area of South Texas was all large Spanish land grants. An 'old' home site is from the 30's or 40's. The coins that we find down here are average 3" deep and very seldom 6" or deeper. The oldest school that I can find here wes built in 1911 and I did find one 1022p cent(rare date)at almost 9". I have pounded this school but have not been able to find any other good coins. Because I hunt this area and expect mainly clad with only a few scattered wheaties and the vary scarse silver, I choose to hunt with my detector to pick up these types of targets. Here is the way I set up and use the 70. Pattern 2 customized:
sensitivity= 24 to 28
volume=30 using Killer Bees
noise cancel=-1
threashold=8
target tones=3
manual ground balance=17 to 24
( at each site I gb and set sensitivity for that site and recheck gb every so often)
the only discrimination segiments not rejected is 12,34,36,38,40,44,46
tracking=off
stability=off

I have tried hunting in all metal and even prospecting but there is just way too much trash here and the temp too high and ground too hard to dig all targets. If I were to hunt an old homesite or somewhere north of here, I would make changes to accept more discrimination segments as site permitted. I undrestand that my chances of finding the gold are slim at best but this area is so poor that most families here just can not afford gold for their kids although I do find some silver rings.
 
Thanks for the chart! I have the '50 and comparing the higher silver coins, my numbers echo your results, but for the nickels, my numbers are quite a bit lower than yours. Were the results on your chart an avaerage from different detectors, or just one? When I did my tests,(laying a coin on a clean piece of ground and scanning), the nickels were really jumpy and did clip a little too. My nickels centered more around 6 and 9 with a 12 thrown in here and there. I did this in the Disc 1 pattern with no notching. Do you think this is normal to have that much variability between two detectors? I saw a little difference between Cortes(more experience with that detector), but they were closer than this over a 0-95 scale. Just curious.

J.
 
I copied that chart and had my art dept. reduce the size and laminate it, fits right in my shirt pocket.
 
J. I used the all-metal mode on each of the models. (would that be the same as your Pattern One with no notching?) I only used one X-70, but used two different X-30's and two different X-50's. (although I didn't find any difference in ID readings, I did recognize a noticable difference in depth of detection between the two X-30ss) In the ID chart, you will see that the X-50 did indicate a "9" for some nickels. (in fact most of my old nickels register 9 instead of 12) Apparently it was the high side of "9" as the X-70 registered it as a "10" instead of an "8". These ID numbers were recorded using the stock 7.5 kHz coil on each machine. And, I even swapped the coils around between the control housings, just to see if the numbers remained consistent. They did. However, I did notice that when I would use the higher frequency 18.75 kHz coil, the numbers were different.

In a post I made last December as to comparing the two coil options available with the X-50, half dollars read 45 on the stock 7.5 Khz coil, but read 42 on the higher freq 18.75 coil. Quarters read 42 on the stock coil and 39 on the higher freq coil. Clad dimes read 36 on the stock coil and 33 on the higher coil. Oddly enough, nickels and zincs are the same on each. Round tabs read 15 on each coil. Small square tabs read 27 on each coil. But, as I increased the depth, the numbers became jumpy and fluxuated from 24- 27. Larger square tabs read 24 on both coils. Screw caps read anywhere from 18 - 27 on the high freq coil and those tested read solidly as 27 on the stock coil. An old 2 cent piece read 33 on the stock coil and 30 on the higher coil. Several IH cents that read a consistent 27 on the higher freq coil gave readings of 27 and 30 on the stock coil. Silver dimes read one of 30, 33 or 36 on the higher freq coil (depending on the specific dime). But were each one notch higher on the stock coil with readings of 33, 36 and 39. A large men's gold ring read 18 on both coils. Depth between the two was similar at 12 - 13 inches of air. A very small lady's gold ring read 15 on both and the higher freq coil did have a slight edge in depth of detection.

What do I make of all this???? It seems to me that, once you get target numeric readings of 30 or more, the stock coil will provide a reading "one notch higher" than the higher frequency coil. In other words, 45 on the stock coil became 42 on the higher freq coil. 42 became 39. 36 became 33. But, once you got to 30 and below, they were pretty consistent with each other.
The coin depth "edge" goes to the 7.5 coil. I attribute this to the fact that I must lower the sensitivity setting when using the higher freq. coil due to falsing. Without exception, the stock coil achieved approx. 20% more depth with each coin target. More with dimes. But, less with jewelry. Sensitivity to small gold jewelry gave an edge to the higher frequency. Not the big rings, but the smaller ones for sure. And, the higher frequency should be more sensitive to smaller targets.

Although I have not noticed my nickels "chirping" as yours might be doing, I have noticed that nickels don't detect as deeply as I would have expected. It is a killer for copper and silver. But nickels don't seem to be detected at a proportional depth. Kind of opposite from a C, V or T that I have used in the past. They were killers on nickels. But too fast of a sweep could sure pass up those little copper and silver coins. Even though there may not be any metal in the ground where you were doing the testing, I wonder if the mineralization has an effect on detecting an object with the conductivity of a nickel? Interesting point to ponder. Maybe one of the experts can help us out here?????

HH Randy
 
If you were to take a nickel and wave it in front of the coil (air test), what target ID does it have? Now, take that same nickel and lay it on top of the ground. (make sure there is nothing metal around that spot) Does it read the same? Does it bounce around or chirp? I'd be interested to find out.

If you are hunting for newer (clad type) coins, I can't argue with where you have your notches set. As long as you know that some nickels will come in as a "10" and copper cents can be anywhere from "24 - 34". Even though the areas you hunt were not "occupied" until the teens, remember people carried individual coins around for many years after the mint mark indicates. If you know someone who works at the local bank, ask them if they still see old wheat cents and silver coins come through. If they are honest, they will tell you that they do. I know I still get them here in the midwest. And, remember that the Buffalo nickel didn't replace the V-nickel until 1913. And IH cents were made through 1909. Even though those sites aren't as old as some that others hunt, they might hold some coins that you are currently notching out. I ain't trying to tell you how to set your detector. Just offering my thoughts on how you might find more old coins and figure out why your nickels chirp. HH Randy
 
I have noticed that with one higher freq unit I have as depth is increased the quarters and dimes tend to drop to the next lower level on the vid. The lower conductors also will tend to drop to the next lower level. On a low frq unit I have the dimes and quarters tend to go up one level and the low conductors drop down one level as depth is increased. My Exp. tends to be accurate for the whole detectable limit and will eventially drop the dimes,etc. into the iron range. I had a 6000 DI Pro and it was also one of the most accurate meters that I have used. What do I make of this? That the lower frq units tend to have a more accurate VID than higher frq units and maybe it just my ground, I have not seen any higher frq unit outdo in depth a low frq unit in the area I live, just my opinion.
 
I will be trying a lot of the things you mentioned to try and get the most out of this sweet detector. Your posts have very good info that I will put to use. I will try what you suggested on the nickel in the lower post. I would like to increase my nickel count. This Saturday on a long hunt at a school that has been pounded, I got 1 Kennedy half, 20 quarters, 18 dimes, 4 nickels and 12 pennies. Not nuch junk. So you see that there is room for improvement in the nickels.
 
I have found that if I set my disc too tight to knock out ALL the unwanted junk..I will get choppy audio with about all my machines....I had an XLT that would hit a nickle at 18-19......The normal coin,or jewlry modes would include about +5-+25,and hit hard on a nickle.
20-25 was almost always a tab or junk So.....I set the low disc on that machine to except 17-19,and it would get a chopy audio if any at all.
Try excepting 8-16 to give the disc a better chance to except the nickles....Then keep narrowing it down till you come up with an optimum disc setting that works well in your trashy area....I dont think I would go with any thing more than 10-14.....BTW.....If you move your disc at say 38-46......I think you will see a choppy audio on dimes as well..
Just my McNickles worth...Hope this can help..HH
 
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